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Even if they did, I DO NOT want my school to do it. Plain, simple, but apparently too hard for this staff.
While I agree with your point that it's not an excuse (nor do I feel that R was trying to make it one), you have to be naive to think that other schools aren't doing the same thing. And in a lot of cases, it's probably worse.
1. To fire KS now would be a horrible blow to the current crop of kids, so I DO NOT think one person wants that to happen right now! seriously...
2. KS is guilty but lets continue to mention Senderoff in the conversation also, he is a grown man and he has his part to play in this. From what I have read he is the primary guilty party...
3. What Greenspan should do, is what he has done already. Police yourself, turn yourself in, and the NCAA usually will give you a "break".
4. I agree with PostmanR having been recruited myself by a Div.1 program, 95% of them ARE NOT squeaky clean...I had things bought for me and I was a potential walk on, on an unoffical visit, and....to a lower Div.1 school. So for some it may be a phone call, text message, or a house!
5. What can KS do now. First, keep his word in other areas such as graduating players, produce a winning program (i.e. THIS YEAR), and hold himself and asst. coaches accountable. Be transparent in what you plan to do to stop this from happening again and if you are going to take 100% of the responsibility, then be responsible for correcting the problem.
My initial reaction was disgust, hurt, shock etc etc...even firing, but I am siding with those guys that will practice tomorrow and try to live up to the standard of IU basketball as players...while their coach gets on board. They can make it happen faster than KS can. So I won't this season participate in the Kel-vin Samp-son chants...I will scream louder for EJ, DJ, JE and all of our other guys.
This doesn't ruin my love for IU basketball and what will make me feel better is beating PU by 40 and Illinois by 30.
The argument when he came in was, "he wasn't sure about the rule." Now there are no excuses. It really kills me to say this, because I love what he's done for our basketball team (rebounding, defense, effort), but if I had to vote on his future - knowing what I know (the press release) - I vote to fire him.
What if this was Bill Weber or Matt Painter violating this rule for the second time?
I agree that in the short term firing Samspson now would be a disaster. It would cripple our season. In the long term, though, it would send the message that our institution does not tolerate cheating in any capacity. I wish it wasn't like this. Winning isn't nearly as important as playing by the rules, and considering the Sampson broke these rules for the second time, when he should have been paranoid about them because of his experience, his actions are indefensible. He even said it in his news conference (taking responsibilty)
And yes, fire Senderoff, too. I am a high school basketball coach. Though the rules aren't nearly as rigid as the NCAA's, our entire staff understands clearly that we have a responsibilty to the players, school and community to be aware of the rules, and pay attention to detail (in everything we do).
You raise good questions. Who takes over? I really have no idea. I am glad I'm not making the decisions (but I hope IU does what I feel is the right thing). I'd love Hubie Brown though.
I'm not naive. Of course there are other schools cheating. Not a month goes by that the NCAA doesn't punish someone and another school announces self-reported violations. But until today, Indiana had never been the school.
What I said still stands, I don't give a rat's ass if every other school in the country is cheating. You can tell me it's not that bad and you can tell me others are doing it too. But I don't care.
I DO NOT want this crap at my school, period.
www.hirehubie.com
I am a former h.s. coach here in indy and yes I was very very adament about following the rules big and small, cause I know so many coaches openly didn't. I knew of coaches in my building that encouraged me to "work the system" to build a good team and win!....using fake addresses etc. I didn't want to build a program that way so I took the other route.
Just when you think IU is building itself back to a national power, this happens. To start over AGAIN for a 3rd time would be REALLY bad. Will winning make this go away? How soon we forget in the sports world....Spygate and New England!
Today the ncaa rules are like the tax code, just ask the General.
I understand no one wants cheating, or even the shadow of cheating, at your school ... but then you've got to be willing to accept a consistently mediocre IU team. If you're willing to do that, fine. But ask Illinois fans how they feel it.
I am terribly disappointed with the basketball situation, however cooler heads need to prevail.
I don't think anyone wants that at all. Trust me, MD's last year to me was more of a disaster than this is making out to be.
I want KS to get it right..and get it right now now now. He is getting the recruiting right, he is getting the talent level right...he is getting the academics piece on the right path...it is time to get these phone calls right. I find it interesting that in a matter of 48hours, Kelvin Sampson is the worst person in the world or at least at IU. Which goes to show you this.....
what have you done for me lately....
We loved him on Friday...
We hated him on Sunday
which goes to show this HARSH TRUTH that we won't admit too...IF HE WINS...this goes away. It is all about what have you done for me lately. If it is not then where is the FRIDAY LOVE on MONDAY?
I read the same thing, moreso on Dexter Strickland.
Here's the article I saw on Stephenson and Ebanks:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152007/sports/ste...
Also, notice how they spelled Hoosiers. What a great newspaper.
It is 2007 who cares what you think, go hang out with the 72 dolphins and show up when we need you. If IU goes to the final 4 you will be there in your old uniform and the candy stripes. I am sick of him always piling on when something goes down.
One thing I do know is that Kent Benson saying Kelvin Sampson should be fired should have no impact on the whole situation.
To sum it up, Kurt Benson: Shut your mouth. Can someone please offer this guy a job so he stops meddling in the affairs of our basketball program?
Do you think Devin Ebanks gives a shit what some tall, lanky, white guy who played basketball in the 70's thinks about Coach Sampson? No, he doesn't, so lets stick to the story lines that are important here.
It isn't like our program and its people are going unpunished here. Sampson's assistant coach (senderoff) is basically losing his job over this. If you are an assistant who can't recruit off campus, you don't have much to offer. Sampson lost a scholarship and $500K. That is plenty enough. I just wish he were more intelligent about circumventing the rules,so we didn't have to hear about it.
In order to compete today, a Coach has to be creative. Sampson was doing exactly that and I don't think less of him as a person nor do I think less of his integrity. 10 calls over the limit is just dumb, and nothing more. Oops, should have been a little more careful about that. Ok, let's move on and win basketball games.
I understand from the media-juggernaut known as the "Indy Star" that IU has had no major infractions with the NCAA since 1960. What do I say? When they start hanging banners for crap like that, let me know.
I am sure such a stat is what lured Eric Gordon here, and the reason that we had such a stud class at Hoosier Hysteria. That is laughable.
Until then, take stats like the one above, Kurt Benson, and all the others who can't grasp the fact IU needs to move into the year '07 and put them in Assembly Hall when we implode it and build a new arena. That would be a fitting end to all the nonsensical garbage about our "tradition".
Sorry for the extended rant!