Wanted to get in on the conversation before everyone else did about the McGee dunk in the waning moments.
This dunk will be lambasted as a peek into the keyhole of a program without control. It's not.
It's simply a previously highly-successful 18 year old who doesn't get any meaningful playing time trying to be noticed. Think about it using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. How can we expect McGee AT THIS STAGE IN HIS CAREER to think about sportsmanship when he's not getting the shelter of playing time?
Now, if he's doing that crap in 2 years, we've got a problem.
piston honda
· 1 year ago
i'm pretty sure lavin said gordon's dunk was a "tom seaver- vida blue fastball" not by the blue fastball. vida blue was another pitcher in the 70s and 80s. i think that makes a bit more sense.
PostmanE
· 1 year ago
Piston:
Good call. That definitely makes more sense. Apologies for the misinterp.
Socks:
Also a good call. I think there is in general a portion of old school fans -- not just in the IU fan base -- who take any sort of borderline unsportsmanlike play and turn it into a sign that our society's crumbling under our feet. Thankfully, I haven't heard much of that yet, but it always feel just around the corner.
Oh, and Maslow's: I haven't heard that since the one Psych class I was forced to take freshman year. Well done.
Craig
· 1 year ago
I'm not mad that Crawford played bad in one game during his freshman season. I think most would agree that he has exceeded expectations already this year.
I am concerned with how sluggish and tired he looked. Is fatigue going to be an issue? Hopefully, Bassett will be back soon and some of the pressure will be off Crawford, but what was going on last night?
TerryIU
· 1 year ago
E,
Just one minor thing and correct me if I'm wrong for I live in Indiana and not California but isn't it the swallows who come back to Capistrano and not the salmon? : )
Corey
· 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more with last night's game I was almost estatic watching us move and screen off the ball it was beautiful...it was the first time all season I have been able to relax, sit back, and watch these boys go to work. How far they have come, even though IU is up this year while Michigan is down, lets not forget they lost 58-55 in Crisler Arena last year. I hope the team can build of this win and can muster a similar game at home vs Illinois on Sunday. GO HOOSIERS!
L. Rubes
· 1 year ago
Great Dumb and Dumber reference
plane1972
· 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more about Lavin. He commentates from a level of expertise as a former coach, but you can tell he is a real sports fan, as well. He and Brent Musberger obviously enjoy working together and it comes through on screen. As much as I like him in the booth, I would love to see him back in coaching again. However, I'm glad he didn't decide to fill Gene Keady's vacancy at Purdue. It would have been truly unfortunate to despise him.
ronb
· 1 year ago
Postman E Thanks for such a positive spin on the game. This team really is blessed with talent and if coach can continue to push them to be better every game we are in for some great games. I hate when folks get down on freshman. EJ is special and we can't use his skills to judge the other freshman and new guys. As a group I think they are doing very well and the record shows it. Now lets Kick some Illinois butts this weekend!!!!
Chris
· 1 year ago
Lets just go ahead and start the Illinois threads!! this is going to be more fun that the UK game!!
JohnM
· 1 year ago
I thought that the best part of the fannies conversation when Musberger said something about getting Erin Andrews involved in the conversation. I didn't know if he meant they should ask her opinion or if he wanted to talk about her fantastic fanny.
I'm conflicted about the McGee "dunk." I'm glad Sampson told him not to do it, but why in the world was Michigan pressing with Adam Ahlfeld on the court? We might remind the old-timers of my all-time favorite IU-Michigan game at Crisler, the 1993 win that ended with Alan Henderson's rejection of Chris Webber's putback. While I'm sure their actions would be considered mild now, the Fab Five really were known for showboating, inciting the crowd, etc. After time expired, Henderson ran in front of the Michigan student section, raising his arms to mockingly pump up the crowd. It happens.
Timmy
· 1 year ago
Call me crazy but I liked McGee's dunk attempt. We need that swagger and cockiness that says we're coming in your house taking your food and kicking your dog on the way out. I liken it to my Patriots running up the score on your favorite nfl teams because we can. Players around the league (recruits) see that and want to be part of that team.
slojoe
· 1 year ago
TerryIU, when he's on a roll, don't correct him! I think Crawford's fatigue was becasue he played 38 minutes. He played more than usual becasue Bassett was out and Ellis & EJ got into foul trouble.
Mike
· 1 year ago
I thought Crawford looked tired last night too. Maybe Sampson was trying to teach him a lesson becuase in the 2nd half it really did seem like everyone got rotated in and out and Crawford was still on the floor. Probably good for him in the long run.
Chicago Ryan
· 1 year ago
EJ's ~14 foot fade-away last night was probably my favorite shot that he took. It was nice to see him attempt a shot inside the arc (one where he wasnt posterizing some poor soul), and I for one, would like to see more of that.
Mark
· 1 year ago
While I wouldn't normally like the McGee dunk attempt, I don't necessarily blame him. They were pressing us and we broke the pressure. It was as if they were still fighting in the game and McGee was doing what was natural. Press us, we break it, we make you pay. They could have easily backed off and let us dribble it out, but they didn't. Now if he does it when we should be dribbling the clock out I will be more inclined to be ticked.
b-side
· 1 year ago
PostmanE, great stuff all around. Only one comment on this quote:
"No matter what the Wolverines did, no matter what their players tried individually or as a group, they weren’t going to keep IU from scoring when it wanted to. As an IU fan, that was a tremendous feeling, and a totally alien one."
You're not that young are you? John M mentioned Alan Henderson and the 1993 team above. I was still in middle school at the time, but even talk about IU domination! That team also included Calbert Cheaney, Greg Graham and Damon Bailey. Watch that assemble on ESPN classic and you'll have a similar feeling like last night.
The guys mentioned above were all NBA first rounders except Bailey, who Donnie Walsh of the Pacers drafted in the 2nd mostly because the draft was held in Indianapolis that year.
PostmanE
· 1 year ago
B-Side:
Great stuff. I was, actually, a little too young for that team, though thanks to the magic of Big Ten Network I've been able to see at least one of their games from that season. You're right: That was an offensively dominant team.
The feeling was great last night, wasn't it? I felt like a Memphis fan; strategy was so secondary to the talent gap, you didn't even have to stress over high screens or ball movement on offense. It was a breath of fresh air.
Moose
· 1 year ago
The other thing that blew me away about Lavin is that he came up with Walt Bellamy as the IU recordholder for rebounds. I must say that I knew it was Bellamy, but I can't believe that someone who didn't grow up steeped in Hoosier lore would know it!
James
· 1 year ago
Yeah that was a pleasant, low stress road BT game. Those are very few and far between.
B-Side, no love for Matt Nover? He averaged 11 PPG that yr. ;-)
MLove
· 1 year ago
You all keep complimenting the commentary yet one of the biggest things they lacked was giving DJ credit the guy was doing something no member of an IU team has done since 95 in terms of Grabbing rebounds and not since 92 has a guy has gotten 20-20. I love gordon but there was a lot more going on there last night then Gordon especially bc gorodn not only was in foul trouble but he got a little sloppy at times trying to force things... LOve this team though DOOOO WORRRKKK
Stephen
· 1 year ago
B-Side...major props for actually spelling Calbert Cheaney correctly.
b-side
· 1 year ago
E, it's funny you mention Memphis. I think Calipari and Sampson are running similar offenses. A lot of drive-and-dish action, with a few set plays sprinkled in. Of course some people do miss the good ol' days of the motion offense, but you won't hear a complaint from me considering the frequency of our FT attempts.
James, you're right, should have given Nover his props, but was merely focusing on the NBA caliber guys. Let's be honest, Matt Nover will always be Ricky Roe for the rest of our lives.
Stephen, unfortunately can't take much credit for the spelling. Used google just to make sure.
TXHOOSIER
· 1 year ago
Agreed on hoping for a lot more Lavin broadcasts. Now that he can't call Errek Suhr a Pepper Pot this year, he had to key in on someone, and I guess Thomas won the drawl.
As to IU dominance being an alien feeling, I couldn't agree more there, either. I'm not so young that I don't remember the Cheaney (and, of course, Nover) years, but too many first-round losses to Cal and Colorado at the tail end of Knight's tenure and the entire Mike Davis era almost made me forget what it was like to never doubt a game's outcome. Here's to a few more games like last night's.
ray
· 1 year ago
one thing to note...and i haven't read all the posts yet...michigan played purdue very well in west lafayette, and purdue nearly knocked off michigan state in east lansing. yes, michigan is in a down year for sure, but beating up on them on the road was very nice to see.
also, i agree with the first poster...if i were mcghee i would have done the same thing. instead of shame on mcghee, shame on anyone for telling him not to do it!
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Wanted to get in on the conversation before everyone else did about the McGee dunk in the waning moments.
This dunk will be lambasted as a peek into the keyhole of a program without control. It's not.
It's simply a previously highly-successful 18 year old who doesn't get any meaningful playing time trying to be noticed. Think about it using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. How can we expect McGee AT THIS STAGE IN HIS CAREER to think about sportsmanship when he's not getting the shelter of playing time?
Now, if he's doing that crap in 2 years, we've got a problem.
Good call. That definitely makes more sense. Apologies for the misinterp.
Socks:
Also a good call. I think there is in general a portion of old school fans -- not just in the IU fan base -- who take any sort of borderline unsportsmanlike play and turn it into a sign that our society's crumbling under our feet. Thankfully, I haven't heard much of that yet, but it always feel just around the corner.
Oh, and Maslow's: I haven't heard that since the one Psych class I was forced to take freshman year. Well done.
I am concerned with how sluggish and tired he looked. Is fatigue going to be an issue? Hopefully, Bassett will be back soon and some of the pressure will be off Crawford, but what was going on last night?
Just one minor thing and correct me if I'm wrong for I live in Indiana and not California but isn't it the swallows who come back to Capistrano and not the salmon? : )
team really is blessed with talent and if coach can continue to push
them to be better every game we are in for some great games. I
hate when folks get down on freshman. EJ is special and we can't
use his skills to judge the other freshman and new guys. As a
group I think they are doing very well and the record shows it. Now
lets Kick some Illinois butts this weekend!!!!
I'm conflicted about the McGee "dunk." I'm glad Sampson told him not to do it, but why in the world was Michigan pressing with Adam Ahlfeld on the court? We might remind the old-timers of my all-time favorite IU-Michigan game at Crisler, the 1993 win that ended with Alan Henderson's rejection of Chris Webber's putback. While I'm sure their actions would be considered mild now, the Fab Five really were known for showboating, inciting the crowd, etc. After time expired, Henderson ran in front of the Michigan student section, raising his arms to mockingly pump up the crowd. It happens.
I think Crawford's fatigue was becasue he played 38 minutes. He played more than usual becasue Bassett was out and Ellis & EJ got into foul trouble.
Probably good for him in the long run.
"No matter what the Wolverines did, no matter what their players tried individually or as a group, they weren’t going to keep IU from scoring when it wanted to. As an IU fan, that was a tremendous feeling, and a totally alien one."
You're not that young are you? John M mentioned Alan Henderson and the 1993 team above. I was still in middle school at the time, but even talk about IU domination! That team also included Calbert Cheaney, Greg Graham and Damon Bailey. Watch that assemble on ESPN classic and you'll have a similar feeling like last night.
The guys mentioned above were all NBA first rounders except Bailey, who Donnie Walsh of the Pacers drafted in the 2nd mostly because the draft was held in Indianapolis that year.
Great stuff. I was, actually, a little too young for that team, though thanks to the magic of Big Ten Network I've been able to see at least one of their games from that season. You're right: That was an offensively dominant team.
The feeling was great last night, wasn't it? I felt like a Memphis fan; strategy was so secondary to the talent gap, you didn't even have to stress over high screens or ball movement on offense. It was a breath of fresh air.
B-Side, no love for Matt Nover? He averaged 11 PPG that yr. ;-)
James, you're right, should have given Nover his props, but was merely focusing on the NBA caliber guys. Let's be honest, Matt Nover will always be Ricky Roe for the rest of our lives.
Stephen, unfortunately can't take much credit for the spelling. Used google just to make sure.
As to IU dominance being an alien feeling, I couldn't agree more there, either. I'm not so young that I don't remember the Cheaney (and, of course, Nover) years, but too many first-round losses to Cal and Colorado at the tail end of Knight's tenure and the entire Mike Davis era almost made me forget what it was like to never doubt a game's outcome. Here's to a few more games like last night's.
also, i agree with the first poster...if i were mcghee i would have done the same thing. instead of shame on mcghee, shame on anyone for telling him not to do it!