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Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

GFDave — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:59:44 -0000

First, having the higher shooting percentage from a comparable distance makes you the better shooter. Anybody who knows anything about basketball knows that there are no style points awarded for the most technically perfect stroke. The ball goes in--you're good, the ball doesn't go in--you're not.

Second, all statisticians, pollsters and other data centric professionals know that anomalous data has skewing effects. This data is routinely sought out and discarded for it can have the effect of masking what really is going on. Roth's Ohio State performance of 9-11 is clearly anomalous. In no other game did he hit as high a percentage or attempt as many shots. People who know about basketball call this "getting hot".

On the other hand, Dumas' 6-10 on 3's is probably not an outlier (there are statistical tests for this). While 10 was his highest number of shot attempts he also had a game with 9 attempts and two games with 8 and two more with 7. So the 10 attempts fits with the whole pattern.

I suggest that his 60% completion for the game also fits the pattern. He shot 57% in both of the games where he attempted 7 shots. In another game he shot 5-5 from 3 point territory. The worst game, among those where he took the most shots, was 4-9.

But even if we did throw this 6-10 game out too, the impact on Dumas' percentage would be less than the negative effect on Roth for throwing his 9-11 out.

I rest my case on the facts. Devan Dumas was, however slightly, the best 3 point shooter on the team last year.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

stevealford — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:55:39 -0000

First off you can't just discard games. That makes no sense. I could say the same thing that if you take away Dumes 6 for 10 at NW than Roth's numbers are better. There numbers were very similar, Roth as a Freshman and Dumes as a Junior. Anybody who knows anything about IU basketball knows that Roth has a better stroke from behind the arc than Dumes.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

GFDave — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:17:44 -0000

Devan Dumas was just barely better from the 3 point line, he and Roth had almost identical takes and makes. If you discard the game that Roth just went off in, which is statistically the anomaly, then you could make the case that Dumas was, if not better, certainly more consistent.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

IU Mike — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:20:37 -0000

Could not agree with you more Alex and while he is speaking of freedom if he doesn't like the way this site is ran then he is FREE to leave & not come back, under any false name. Maybe he should start his own site so that all of his kind have a place to go & make their garbage comments.

Nuff said, the way you run YOUR site is just fine with me.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

tberry — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:56:08 -0000

I totally agree and think that moderators should look at more than just instgation, etc. I like this board becasue it sticks to the subject (most of the time) and has inteigent basketball thought.

Not to name names but I find on the IDS board, the first two or three post have to do with basketball but from there is disintegrates into posters that just like to read their own use of big and meaningless oratory.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

tberry — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:43:34 -0000

I'm rather surprised but not shocked. Morgan wasn't rated very high and when he saw our interest and apparent "in" with better (KI?) players, probably thought he would have a better chance of playing and success at another school.

It is now looking like those "better players" are not as interested in IU as we all hoped and thought. It will be interesting to see how Coach Crean handles this.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Bryan — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:43:30 -0000

I can't say I've much to add to the discussion that's not already been said - if Jody Demling is right, and we never really offered this kid, then I can't say it's that much of a loss. IU doesn't want a rep of not being hospitable to former players or their kids, and not just because one of them might be a blue chip recruit one day. That said, I'm surprised that Moses picked DePaul. I can't see that program digging out of the ditch they're in until they swallow their pride and leave the Big East.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

stevealford — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:38:11 -0000

I would be disappointed if Roth were to transfer, which I don't believe he will. He is our best shooter. Now that we have guys to set him up (such as Hulls) he will be a very valuable piece. We will also need him when teams play zone against us. I don't understand all the transfer talk with him.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

it's Indiana — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:42:09 -0000

Thanks Alex, I missed his replies, but I'm sure they were brilliant. Talk about a waste of carbon and oxygen. Now we can get back to the good stuff. I LOVE the high standards on this site! I tell everyone I know about it.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Hardwood83 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:14:10 -0000

Yes- intended tongue in cheek. I also like Roth, but do wonder what role he'll have at such a stacked position. Bad news for him is he can't play any other position and has been a liability on defense. I hope he has improved. I had suggested a Red Shirt would allow him to improve his defense and at least clear Dumes off the depth chart- but no one else seemed to think that was a good idea.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Alex Bozich — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:42:48 -0000

Totally agree with you and we've banned very few people in the 2+ years of our existence. We've been more than lenient in allowing people to post their views, but in certain instances when someone is instigating for the sake of instigating, that's not something we welcome. It does nothing but take away from the community.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

IUKYLE94 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:40:04 -0000

I tend to agree w/what seems to be the overall opinion here, Moses ultimately wasn't going to fit and took the best opportunity available to him. Someone mentioned CTC being "respectful to a hoosier legacy" and giving the kid a look, this seems reasonable to me. As for Russell Baxter, I didn't agree with his comments but I think it's a sad commentary when folks have to be banned because some don't like what they say. If his worst offense was being a bit prickly then we've become far to sensitive. ITH is a private entity and can ban who they like but in the world people agree to disagree all the time without having voices silenced.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

plane1972 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:13:26 -0000

I think I am reading humor into your comment, Hardwood, but I'm beginning to feel bad for Roth with all this transfer talk. Seems unfair to the kid, and I agree with others who think he can become a Leary, Hornsby type of specialist that can be very valuable to a team.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Alex Bozich — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:57:03 -0000

This is a privately owned Web Site. We have the right to choose what comments do and do not appear.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Mr. Russell A. Baxter — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:43:34 -0000

This is America, perhaps I need to get legal advise on my comments and the refusing me a voice.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

coachv — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:23:54 -0000

zzzzzzzzzzzz. can you hear the crickets?

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Taskmaster75 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:39:50 -0000

I wish :P

John Wall scares me...He will be better than Rose was his rookie year (I predict).

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Kelin Blab — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:39:45 -0000

I would have loved for Russelbaxter to stick around until we beat KY then storm the court....sure he would have dissappeared after that....and we will beat KY...

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Alex Bozich — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:48:35 -0000

I don't believe IU is recruiting Coleman anymore.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

roninjeffersonville — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:49:17 -0000

Alex let me throw another name out there. Justin Coleman. Alot of services are saying we are recruiting him. But cant find out anything to see how serious it is. Can you fill me in some?
I agree if we dont get Shelby or this Coleman, Lets work on 2011 and 2012

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

GFDave — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:32:07 -0000

exactly. he knew the truth and he was sorry that the ignorant had to hear it. i laughed at the "and I mean business" line. what could that possibly mean on an internet blog?

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

Guest — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:31:00 -0000

Thanks, that guy was annoying

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

jgon86 — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:29:29 -0000

I guess I didn't like how he said "sorry" at the end of his messages. It was as if he felt he could talk down at us. I hate that.

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

IU Mike — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:11:29 -0000

In the long run this could be a good thing with the logjam we have at his position. I have to think that it is a strong possibility that an offer was not extended after Moses and his father saw what we have & talked it over with Crean and both decided that IU was not the best fit for him. Right now a scholly is a very precious commodity at IU. When are we back to where we have all of our schollys available to us ? I know CTC can only go after the 5 stars that show interest in us but boy it sure would be nice to snag a big that is a 5 star. I guess that is being kinda greedy when we just need the 5 stars at any position to start commiting. Best of luck to you Moses at DePaul. Alex I don't think you have to fear anyone being mad at your decision to exclude russell baxter from posting here. Just for the record I believe he was a blue bleeder from the smelly depths of Rape Arena. Those people never cease to find ways to make me sick!

Re: Report: Moses Morgan commits to DePaul

JerryCT — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:05:16 -0000

You did the right thing after giving him enough rope ...............well done