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Re: NCAA advises IU to halt the barnstorming tour

CBinOR — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:00:57 -0000

I believe. Yes i really do. There is a conspsiracy against my beloved IU bball program. SOMEONE at the NCAA seems to have a bias against us so large it DEMANDS investigation by the legislature or congress or someone. Time to prod our local politicians ( they live for posturing anyway).

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Kelin Blab — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:42:21 -0000

damn that would suck

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ALH_00 — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:12:27 -0000

I don't buy the "NCAA is holding back information for the benefit of IU" at all.

If the NCAA "has something" on IU, why wouldn't we know it? Their reports and allegations were made public.

My thought: (NCAA x Miles Brand) + a dip-*#%* coach who breaks "the rules" without remorse = destruction (to the delight of the aforementioned Pres).

My problem: while MB (and his band of wretched lemmings) are patting themselves on the back for "restoring order to collegiate athletics", I would bet not more than 5 teams in the top 25 in CFB graduated more than 50% of their black athletes. Meanwhile, the next Mens' BBall star and his family are currently packing up for a new life (house, job, car) 1000 miles away from home..."Collegiate Athletics" at work...and all o.k. with the NCAA!

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bahickma — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:10:43 -0000

Yeah, they'll have to make a decision on whose scholarship to rescind.

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CoveyDale — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:44:18 -0000

did he also miss when he won three titles and had an undefeated season, "bro?"

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Kelin Blab — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:57:51 -0000

Big A or anyone.....

If IU loses more scholarships does that mean the incoming kids that have committed cannot come? How does that work?

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BGleas — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:21:14 -0000

Exactly tberry. I'm totally with you. I don't care what the position, find the best available candidate no matter where they're from.

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RobertSchell — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:50:33 -0000

Skiles' DUI came while he was at Michigan State.

Not many big-name schools showed much interest in Skiles until after the state championship game...Keady's assistants told him to look at other schools, and Digger Phelps didn't show much attention either. I think Bobby showed interest in Skiles but ultimately looked elsewhere due to different reasons.

Not sure how it all relates to the Sampson hire, but yes, Skiles was always cocky. I've heard when MSU visited Skiles' house to talk with his dad about Scott's time at MSU, they told his dad that Scott wouldn't start many games/receive much playing time his freshman year -So Scott yelled from the kitchen - "The hell I won't!"

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MikeinNC — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:21:50 -0000

Do other schools not do the equivalent of a barnstorming tour? I always just assumed this was common practice in any state where they give a crap about basketball.

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Matt_J — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:03:58 -0000

Reynolds also worked for a while at Notre Dame in the AD's office.

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Matt_J — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 16:02:35 -0000

But Jerry...USC investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing. That's clean by the NCAA's standards, right? Right?

*crickets*

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Matt_J — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 15:59:12 -0000

Knight was recruiting Skiles, then Skiles got a dui, and Knight said "No thanks."

It's amazing how badly Knight missed on Larry Bird. You're so right. Homesickness is all Knight's fault. What a horrible human being and lousy recruiter he was.

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tberry — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:12:53 -0000

No any AD hire does not have to come from IU. Just like any coach we hired does not have to come from IU. For some reason many think that being an IU grad or one of "Bobby's Boys" automatically make a person great at everything. It doesn't.

No matter what position IU hires for they should be looking to hire a person that has the best history of past success. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity and success breeds success.

PS: that is why we should fire Bill Lynch and hire a winner..

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HoosierSmitty — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:34:02 -0000

I just worry that if it continues to go downhill like this, even the recruits we have now or are close to getting are going to leave/not come...who knows what they thought was going to happen to the team, but this might be worst case scenario now, and who knows if they were prepared for that.

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MillaRed — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:11:28 -0000

I got news for you John, when you have Larry Bird on campus, and he ends up somewhere else, you missed bro.

This guy almost knocked out Magic in the NCAA final when he had no support. I was less interested in pointing out Knight had recruiting issues than I was the Skiles hiring of Sampson.

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mylifeinacube — Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:31:24 -0000

Erin Andrews for new IU AD!

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Kelin Blab — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:54:54 -0000

I would not mind seeing Dak as the new AD or Reynolds, even though he worked under Greeny, can't hold him accountible for this mess.

Sorry guys and gals....this barnstorming thing has really bummed me out, as if the IU tradtions haven't changed enough, don't be surprised Midnight madness is cancelled and IU is forced to get rid of the candy stripes.

what more could happen to this program and team? Although a post season ban this year won't matter much, I just don't want that cloud nor do I want anymore scholly's taken.

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RobertSchell — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:21:34 -0000

I think Myles Brand's childhood hero growing up was Burgermeister Meisterburger from "Santa Claus is Comin' to Town"...he certainly has the "no fun for anyone" part down....

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oldfan — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:40:29 -0000

A new Ad is going to be a tough hire. I think It would have to come from the IU family,someone that cares deeply about IU like a Jerry Yeagley. Iam I far off base Big Al?

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JerryCT — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:40:57 -0000

Sorry Flhoosier. I read the entire NCAA report. It is very detailed with dates, length of call, by player etc. The theory that there is more dirt not detailed in their report that they are holding back and then acting on it is a bit paranoid and bascially charges the NCAA with lying or contriving an unethical process.

To me it is more likely that the NCAA takes the view that Sampson cannot be expected to monitor himself or his staff . Therefore the entire monitoring issue falls on the ADept staff. They further believe their own "puffing" of the statistics like counting "placed" calls less than 2minutes ( vs their usual interpetation ) and count the Morris twins as one player. When we reacted with weakness , unlike USC, they took the chance to show the world how tough they are.

I take the view that KS should have been the first to know and the one who should most want to know if rules were broken.........after all, this was HIS sanction.

Exactly how does IU monitor passing the phone, or 3 way calls or detect false log entries ?

Also keep in min das I have said before of the 116 calls I counted , 50% were to 2 players and 74 calls were less than 2minutes and likey were no contacts made. If you take out other calls longer than 2 minutes but within a 20 minute window you get even fewer issues but the NCAA chooses to look at it in the worst possible light for IU

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JerryCT — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:10:22 -0000

Caps mean he is yelling. Sometimes its good to yell

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HoosierSmitty — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:33:58 -0000

F~(k you NCAA.

Seriously...

Does this all imply that the NCAA believes IU tried to cover up Sampson's lies and then turn around and try to make it look like they gave it their best effort to stop him?

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flhoosier — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:26:46 -0000

I think what you all are overlooking is there is something the NCAA has on IU we probably don't know. and now IU is not getting the benefit of the doubt on anything. Think about it. Basically, they believed a convicted cheater in Sampson that IU did not monitor the program. That is like a jury believing a convicted felon(not saying what Sampson did was a crime) at trial, and as a lawyer I can tell you there usually needs to be overwhelming evidence the felon is telling the truth before he is believed. I'm pretty sure IU is going to get worse than scholarship losses, I would say a possible two year post season ban, not that we would make the post season the next two years anyway.

Another problem is the ass backwords way this program goes about things. During this investigation did anyone think to look at Greenspan and if they did and found something he should have been fired. I highly doubt he is resigning of his own accord, and if he is then the adminstration should have found out he was thinking about it before letting him hire Crean, because we have no shot of getting a good A.D. with sanctions coming in the only spotlight sport at the school (besides soccer which makes the school no money), and a coach already in place at the only spotlight sport. Greenspan should have been fired or forced to resign and let the new A.D. make the hire, atleast then we could have gotten a quality A.D. With the contract Crean signed we are married to him and he is married to us. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, time will tell, only that an A.D. wants to make the hires and he won't get the chance at IU in basketball the only sport that really matters. The only thing the new A.D. can do is fire Lynch and hire another football coach at some point to hopefully go 6-5 and make a bowl game. Does that sort of job intrigue you? Didn't think so.

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Kelin Blab — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:20:54 -0000

Wow........
This just keeps getting worse. I already braced myself for a ban for this year and now the barnstorming tour. Well, I have been putting this off for a long time but I am going to officially email or write a nice letter to KS. This is a bunch of BS and for one man to do this to a program is absolutely horrible.

I won't even get into the IU vs. USC stuff.
This really really sucks.........

Re: NCAA advises IU to halt the barnstorming tour

hoosiergal — Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:02:27 -0000

What the NCAA needs is a little investigation of their own, like Congressional Investigation.