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I am wondering, I heard a rumor that Scott Skiles (Plymouth Indiana High School graduate) really wanted to come to IU but of course Bobby didn't want anyone that would question his Godliness. Yes, he missed out on about 100 great recruits because he was, well, The General. (see Bird, Larry - Montross, Eric - Robinson, Glen)
For those of you that are not old enough to remember Skiles at Michigan State, he was a one-man wrecking crew. In his four year career he averaged 18 points a game. He averaged 27.4 ppg and 7 assists as a senior. Furthermore, he was 5 feet nothing and was almost completely bald before he graduated college. The kid had no athleticism to the point is was hilarious. He was so competetive it outweighed his lack of everything physical.
The thing about Skiles is the guy talked more trash per pound than anyone in the history of Indiana High School basketball and yes it carried into college. (BTW, the Bird Man was quite the talker too) Anyway, MSU stunk so he got little recognition but the guy would flat out hit a 30 footer in your face and tell you about it when back-peddling on D.
My point is, I'm not sure the guy ever recovered from Bobby's snub. Is there a connection here with the Sampson hire in Milwaukee? The way this soap opera has gone I wouldn't be surprised.
Even if Skiles has some sort of a grudge against Knight, what in the world does that have to do with hiring Sampson? Sampson is well-qualified for the job. If it weren't for the NCAA scandal he would be over-qualified for the job. Rather than create an elaborate conspiracy theory, why not consider that Sampson and Skiles have a common mentor: Jud Heathcoate.
This guy almost knocked out Magic in the NCAA final when he had no support. I was less interested in pointing out Knight had recruiting issues than I was the Skiles hiring of Sampson.
It's amazing how badly Knight missed on Larry Bird. You're so right. Homesickness is all Knight's fault. What a horrible human being and lousy recruiter he was.
Not many big-name schools showed much interest in Skiles until after the state championship game...Keady's assistants told him to look at other schools, and Digger Phelps didn't show much attention either. I think Bobby showed interest in Skiles but ultimately looked elsewhere due to different reasons.
Not sure how it all relates to the Sampson hire, but yes, Skiles was always cocky. I've heard when MSU visited Skiles' house to talk with his dad about Scott's time at MSU, they told his dad that Scott wouldn't start many games/receive much playing time his freshman year -So Scott yelled from the kitchen - "The hell I won't!"
So Scott Skiles went to MSU and now coaches the Bucks...Who cares? NBA teams don't let their coaches hire assistants out of spite to a college that didn't recruit them 25 years ago.
As a reasonable fan (I think), I've just about had enough NCAA beat-downs. The more shit they put on IU, the more respect I lose for the institution. It seems ever-more crazy that they are intent on further destruction of a program for some phone calls when it does not appear that they are doing anything about the "competitive advantage" that other schools are utilizing (outside the direct role of the university, of course). This is more than an investigation/disciplinary process...it's a friggin witch-hunt!
A march on Indy may be in order...leave our school alone.
With that said, if other schools do these tours, then it shouldn't be an issue.
This just adds fuel to my already substantial fire regarding the NCAA's selective enforcement of its rules.
I get it...IU cheated...but let the punishment fit the crime. What "competitive advantage" did IU get through the illegal phone calls? It was little, if any, as I recall from the names of recruits contained in the allegations. What has IU lost as a result? Quite a bit for sure!
I’m just absolutely stunned that IU is going through all of this and yet USC’s basketball and football programs, FSU’s football program and Kansas State’s basketball program get to operate as normal.
Aren’t acedemic scandals, paying recruits and current players and moving a recruits family half way across the country and getting the mom a cushy job way worse than phone calls?
I’m not saying Sampson/IU should be off the hook, I’m saying what these other programs have done is far worse, in my opinion, and they are off scott free.
Its time for IU to fight back hard against the TOUR ban and the new NCAA charges such that they think twice in the future about railroading IU, just as they fear tangling w FSU or USC.
*crickets*
THIS SELECTIVE NCAA HARASSMENT OF THE IU PROGRAM SHOULD RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HONESTY AND INTEGRITY OF THE NCAA FROM EVERY SANE PERSON AND ORGANIZATION.
This just keeps getting worse. I already braced myself for a ban for this year and now the barnstorming tour. Well, I have been putting this off for a long time but I am going to officially email or write a nice letter to KS. This is a bunch of BS and for one man to do this to a program is absolutely horrible.
I won't even get into the IU vs. USC stuff.
This really really sucks.........
Another problem is the ass backwords way this program goes about things. During this investigation did anyone think to look at Greenspan and if they did and found something he should have been fired. I highly doubt he is resigning of his own accord, and if he is then the adminstration should have found out he was thinking about it before letting him hire Crean, because we have no shot of getting a good A.D. with sanctions coming in the only spotlight sport at the school (besides soccer which makes the school no money), and a coach already in place at the only spotlight sport. Greenspan should have been fired or forced to resign and let the new A.D. make the hire, atleast then we could have gotten a quality A.D. With the contract Crean signed we are married to him and he is married to us. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, time will tell, only that an A.D. wants to make the hires and he won't get the chance at IU in basketball the only sport that really matters. The only thing the new A.D. can do is fire Lynch and hire another football coach at some point to hopefully go 6-5 and make a bowl game. Does that sort of job intrigue you? Didn't think so.
If the NCAA "has something" on IU, why wouldn't we know it? Their reports and allegations were made public.
My thought: (NCAA x Miles Brand) + a dip-*#%* coach who breaks "the rules" without remorse = destruction (to the delight of the aforementioned Pres).
My problem: while MB (and his band of wretched lemmings) are patting themselves on the back for "restoring order to collegiate athletics", I would bet not more than 5 teams in the top 25 in CFB graduated more than 50% of their black athletes. Meanwhile, the next Mens' BBall star and his family are currently packing up for a new life (house, job, car) 1000 miles away from home..."Collegiate Athletics" at work...and all o.k. with the NCAA!
Seriously...
Does this all imply that the NCAA believes IU tried to cover up Sampson's lies and then turn around and try to make it look like they gave it their best effort to stop him?
To me it is more likely that the NCAA takes the view that Sampson cannot be expected to monitor himself or his staff . Therefore the entire monitoring issue falls on the ADept staff. They further believe their own "puffing" of the statistics like counting "placed" calls less than 2minutes ( vs their usual interpetation ) and count the Morris twins as one player. When we reacted with weakness , unlike USC, they took the chance to show the world how tough they are.
I take the view that KS should have been the first to know and the one who should most want to know if rules were broken.........after all, this was HIS sanction.
Exactly how does IU monitor passing the phone, or 3 way calls or detect false log entries ?
Also keep in min das I have said before of the 116 calls I counted , 50% were to 2 players and 74 calls were less than 2minutes and likey were no contacts made. If you take out other calls longer than 2 minutes but within a 20 minute window you get even fewer issues but the NCAA chooses to look at it in the worst possible light for IU
No matter what position IU hires for they should be looking to hire a person that has the best history of past success. Mediocrity breeds mediocrity and success breeds success.
PS: that is why we should fire Bill Lynch and hire a winner..
Sorry guys and gals....this barnstorming thing has really bummed me out, as if the IU tradtions haven't changed enough, don't be surprised Midnight madness is cancelled and IU is forced to get rid of the candy stripes.
what more could happen to this program and team? Although a post season ban this year won't matter much, I just don't want that cloud nor do I want anymore scholly's taken.
If IU loses more scholarships does that mean the incoming kids that have committed cannot come? How does that work?