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I think the priority at point guard should be Jeremiah Davis. Full court press.
A year or two of KI would have been nice, but if there was one position to have all your eggs in one basket, it was the point. I think we are solid there for a few years.
It sure would look good to have all of those Indiana Elite players staying in-state and getting IU back to where it should be.
I wish the kid well lets not forget.....(conley, oden, both zellers) all chose other schools so we will get over it. How will we get over it...when the next kid signs....I wish KI well and HOPE he doesn't go to KY or Duke but especially KY......I think we lost him based on where our program is now and not the coaches. I am dissapointed but not crushed as I am glad we are in the conversation.
My thoughts now are:
1. If selby wants to come to IU great
2. If selby goes elsewhere, shut it down for 2010 and focus on 2011/2012
3. Jeremiah Davis....Jeremiah Davis.....Jeremiah Davis
4. DSR, Ron Patterson, DSR, Ron Patterson you get the point....
5. 2012 in state kids should get the red carpet treatment to land one or two or three of them.
6. I am HAPPY with our current and incoming crop of PG's...(Rivers,VJ3, Hulls, Carlino)
Wouldve been nice to have but if he doesn't want to be here then we don't need him. Kinda lame that he gave iu so much love in his comments then pulls this. Oh well.
I just don't understand, the rebuilding process at I.U. If players that can bring them back to the top continue the rejection, exactly how will they achieve this goal? Too early to say this, but this might be longer process than one might have thought. Meanwhile you have Kentucky, Ohio State, Duke and UNC farming the talent in and out year after year. Question what was Matta first year recruiting class rated? Crean will have to keep trying to sell I.U., but looks like it might continue to be a hard sell for the next couple of years. I don't even know how many years it may take I.U. to battle in the big ten and to be a factor, not to mention being a national force. I think they have to do something in the Big Ten first and that's gonna take some time too. Oh well. They still be fun to watch their home games. Go I.U. beat Kentucky and Purdue this year!
It just doesn't make sense. I don't blame KI or look bad on him at all, I'm just really curious to see what happened. Hopefully we get to find out.
I think Selby is a long shot, especially since he's friends with Irving, the whole "KI turned you down, so now you want me" thing.
We went from one of two guaranteed official visits prior to the in-home, to not in his top five immediately after the in-home.
1. Rivers reduces TO's dramatically = 3pts net gain
2. Rivers on ball defense at the point of attack = 2pts gain
3. Rivers begins the offense earlier in the closck we get better shots = 3pts
4. Better defense, rebounding and offense overall with better rotation of players = 6 pt gain
If we had 14 more Pts/gm we would have won about 18 games last year
IU made strides last year BUT the top recruits know that IU is a few years away from the top if they even get their. therefore, they, the stars, want to be on a winning team right away so they will be on a pedestal again very shortly. IU will not get the very best until recruits see constant significant improvement and we are nearing the top. It will be a rebuilding PROCESS not a one or two year jump to the best players!!!
Update:
Based on the The Hoosier Scoop, I retract my statement. It sounds like the fat lady has begun warming up. Makes the Selby recruitment seem a little more interesting....
Kyrie - Thanks for considering IU basketball. We all would of loved watching you play here and we are some of the most passionate fans in all of sports. Our campus is beautiful and Indiana people are some of the most "real" people you will meet in the country. I wish you the best of luck on whatever you decide to do.
If this becomes a game of what have you done lately with these future recruits and Purdue makes it to the final four this year then clearly kids are going to give them a look before they look at I.U.
I actually saw a article that has Purdue ranked higher than Michigan State and UNC. I think they were being projected in the top five. Oh boy! Sorry.
After this I am pulling the reigns back on becoming excited over recruiting. I like hearing about who we are interested in and who is interested in us, but this is exhausting. I prefer to follow the players who want to be a part of IU and cheering for them. I can't wait for the next verbal. 1 star, 5 star who cares. Coach Crean will get 110% out of every player he brings in. As a diehard fan, that is all you can ask for night in and night out because you know that you were on the floor you would do whatever it took to win.
Good luck Kyrie. Sorry you won't be a part of this.
The following quote is from Demling on his blog:
"No official word yet but sources on both sides have said the in-home visit didn't go as planned. Irving won't visit Indiana in October - as expected - and the two sides have decided that it's best the school and the player go their own ways."
OK, so how to take that:
We know that it had nothing to do with Crean visiting Selby. Crean visited Selby because he knew Irving wasn't coming.
Was there an interpersonal problem between Crean and somebody? Hard to believe. Crean's done this too many times to not be super political and nice.
Did the Irvings want playing time assurances that Crean was unwilling to give. Maybe, but as BGleas says above, why wouldn't that apply to KY? They've got guards too.
Was it something about negative recruiting? Maybe he knew he wasn't going to be around in 2 or 3 years when the current team is ready to compete for a B10 title.
It is likely that Irving is so sold on himself that he is going to the highest bidder because he thinks he is worth it and want everyone else to make him their number one and give him whatever it is he covets.
Lets not cry in our beer fella's (has anyone noticed their aren't many females on this blog. Just an observation).
What can we do? The dude doesn't want us, so we don't want him. Have a good life.
If this guy commits, how would Rivers and Hulls feel? Everyone that has committed in the last two years deserve our complete DEVOTION. Anyone that doesn't can't be blamed. We are rebuilding. It's a tough pill to swallow. But we just-aren't-there-yet.......
Also, I just checked KI's Twitter (Crean is still following him), and apparently IU fans have been posting negative stuff on there.
Come on, guys, we're better than this.
Since 2002 here are the stats on the number of 5 stars on the perennial teams:
Duke - 14 and gets 1+ every year
UNC - 12 with 2 years at 0
Kansas - 9 with 4 years 0 including 2008 and 2007
UCLA - 6 with 3 years at 0
MSU - 4 with 4 years at 0
PITT - 2 with 6 years at zero
It seems having a 0 for 5 stars happens to everyone but Duke and except for UNC average slightly less than 1/yr.
Heck, Brian Zoubek was a 5 star recruit, and he has yet to score more than 5 ppg in the 3 seasons he's been at Duke.
I will be an optimist, the recruitment of Jeremiah Davis heats up and we get him to commit, we add Zeller or Plumlee (probably Zeller) and put together the Indiana Elite squad in Bloomington. No concerns or worries about the coaching staff's ability to recruit, it was amazing we were in on Irving. I am disappointed but this is not a crushing blow. Good luck to Irving wherever he goes (looks like Duke, that makes me want to vomit).
The only things I could come up with is.....
1. Duke has pratically NO ONE playing in front of KI and IU has a few guys at both spots, I don't think we could have given him FULL keys to the house as Duke and UK would.
2. I think IU at this time of transition probaly hurt and the practically guarantee of big dance exposure with Duke/UK is something we don't have right now.
3. It was impossible at this point for one of Crean's assistant to become KI's 2nd Godfather.
I am on the J.Davis bandwagon even more now. Josh Selby ain't comin' to IU
But hey, Crean can compensate, if this guy can actually form a semidecent team out of a bunch of mid level recruits, I am sure he can convince some high talent program changing guy to come here.
As for the karma comments, remember the same disparaging things you say about him come back to you and your program. You aren't immune from karma ;)
Try saying "Best of luck in the future to Kyrie and his family, wherever he plays." Now THAT'S good karma ;)
(what's the dea w/christmas and kendrick? why not go after them - realistically, we've made it further along with either of them than i'd have figured, so why not focus on one of them?)
I befriended Kyrie a few months ago on facebook. *Highlight of my week at the time when he confirmed me.* The page looks pretty legit, but whether it is him or not, I must say I am proud to be a Hoosier fan after seeing the great posts Indiana supporters wrote on his wall. Every post was a class act. 'Wishing him good luck.' 'Whoever he chooses we will follow his career closely.' And 'we wish he would have chose IU but we are still a great program and will be back.' That is the type of sportsmanship and 'fanhood' I am proud to be a part of. Especially seeing all the immature comments made by Duke and Kentucky supporters. I have nothing to say and want no part of fans or alumni of those schools. HOO HOO HOOSIERS!
I.U. can not compete with these big time programs, that's just the way it is. This program will be in big trouble if it comes up with only 6-10 wins this year. Early reports seems to indicate they will finish 10th in big ten, one position ahead of Iowa.
My problem is I see alot of programs, Purdue, Illinois, that have had deplorable seasons the prior year and have came back within one year and yes be a factor for the title. This year is going to be very important for this program and you can mark it. Nobody will have more experienced Sophmores in the Big Ten as far as minutes played as Freshmans. I'll tell you one thing right now and I mean business too, this year will be I.U. make or break. Got to turn it around real fast in my most humble bumble opinion.
I always wondered who keeps thinking we did not actually land on the moon and the holocaust never happened............now I know
IMO we have a reasonable chance at .500 this year. We should be better post defenders and scorers and better ball handlers and have more depth. Scoring options won't as limited and the team will be more experienced. Mitigating that is the fact that we probably did not get most team's full effort last year and so I expect the opposition to play harder this year.
In 2010-2011 I don't see any reason this group can't be in the top 3 or 4 in B10, and maybe in the mix for a B10 title. Optimistic? Yes. Feasible? Sure.
1) no one to practice against therefore improvement was slow and more difficult
2) Dumas can defend one guard but we had no one for the other guard making Minn, PSU, UM, IL ( ie some of the weaker B10 teams) very difficult for us
3) no true point guard forcing us to make our first pass in the half court offense too late into the clock causing bad shots and turnovers
In addition to Rivers I believe this year we have a shot at defending with equal size everywhere on the floor and will have offensive skills we did not have last year. We should also progress more rapidly with more competition in practice. The opponent will have to stop us this year instead of relying on us to stop ourselves
At any rate I agree. Good on the ball defense really changes the game tempo.
You are worried that we are not getting better fast enough to outpace the improvements of the other B10 teams. Losing Story and Williams did not help us out of the gate this year either IMO. You are warning us that realistically we should be less optimistic for this coming season.............right ?
Warning accepted . I still say we will be a net 14 pts better and that will beat alot of teams you mentioned
marquette since 2002 has had no 5 star committs. IU has had 4 , which is 1 behind UCONN , the same as MSU and 2 behind UCLA.
I hope this helps put 5 star recruiting in a bit of perspective
I have an interesting question for all of us.....Many of us expect Moses Morgan to commit to Indiana, what if he is the last 2010 committment, would you be pleased with that? What if we didn't get anymore 2010 guys would you be ok with that?
Personally I would, I really want to get J.Davis and a big in 2011, then go after the 2012 kids DSR, Patterson, Hollowel etc........I am somewhat over 2010. I have ZERO confidence in us getting Josh Selby.....
I hope Josh Selby doesn't see it that way. I hope Crean has a lot of ideas on telling Josh Selby that he is the one IU REALLY loves!!!
What Irving doing on U-stream a NCAA Violations? If so, if so why and what is being done to report it?
It is sounding more and more like his team is Ky, Playing for coach Calpone in Ripp-off arena
In the recruiting process, IU will win some recruiting battles and lose some others. It is part of the game and what makes the college basketball off season so exciting. Frankly, I am thrilled that Crean and the coaching staff were involved with KI for so long in the process and that they seem to be making good inroads with great recruits from the state of Indiana and abroad. I am excited about seeing the team this season and to see the knew talent Crean can bring in.
Hoo-Hoo-Hoo-Hoosiers!