Inside the Hall - Latest Comments in ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

dabig — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:33:24 -0000

Despite the fact that he was highly sought after as a high school athlete, by the time those teams (74-75 & 75-76) started getting attention, he was disparaged by a lot of the press, mainly because he wasn't a great scorer.
But, that wasn't his role on those teams, which had so much offensive firepower. I'm glad to see him get the recognition he deserves here for being the leader and floor general of one of the best (if not the best) college teams ever.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

B_MD — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:43:50 -0000

See now I'm going to have to take my apology back, becasue it is rediculus to say that Millport's comments were racist.

As I said in my first post, I probably should have never commented, it probably did more harm than anything. But, his comment was not racist at all.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

DJW — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:57:13 -0000

Please...I think much of all this has been misinterpreted.

Let's not let it go any further.

It could possibly ruin the subject matter being debated..."Greatest Indiana Players Of All Time"

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

MikeinNC — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:43:27 -0000

Moving right along, the one thing that always surprised me was Buckner's lack of success as a coach...anyone have an opinion on this? Granted, the Mavs were not a plum assignment...was he just in the wrong place at the wrong time (with the wrong system)? I would have guessed when he left the NBA that he had "successful coach" written all over him...

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

jgongora86 — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:36:55 -0000

I kind of understand where your coming from with interpretation with the word jock, but I just associate racism with either race or gender. Anyone can choose to be a so called "jock" or go away from it. i think racism is too harsh a word.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

repairmanjack — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:14:08 -0000

Big A, sorry but when someone steps out of line, the community has every right to bring them back in line. Indiananorthshores comment was out of line. I for one am tired of people finding offense at the littlest perceived slight. Please take your chip on the shoulder cr*p off these discussions. Race was not brought into the discussion until you brought it up.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

CoveyDale — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:56:33 -0000

"he was suprised a black athlete could have college educated parents."

nowhere in the original post does Millport refer to QB's race. he does not use the word "black" at all. none of his previous posts have been racist or offensive, so i don't know why you took it that way.

all i'm saying is don't take one little comment and turn it into World War III. i'm sure if you asked for clarification (which he gave in his reply) on the comment, none of this would've happened.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

DJW — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:56:24 -0000

Not sarcastic at all...just a comment to indicate how this whole discussion turned sour over the ridiculous interpretation of the term "typical jock.

I concur with Big A's remark..."keeping this on track"

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

BigA — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:40:36 -0000

Let's keep the discussion on track here guys and gals. Thanks.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

indiananorthshore — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:18:09 -0000

My last post on the subject. Would anyone say Adam Ahlfeld was not a typical jock because his father is a doctor and his mother is college educated. Of course not because he is white! I am not calling Millford a bigot, I am sure he is not. But the comment was racist and offensive, because he was surprised a black athlete could have college educated parents. I am a minority and that is how I feel.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

CoveyDale — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:53:24 -0000

I'm offended as well.

i'm also offended by AC Slater from Saved by the Bell. he refers to Zack Morris as "preppy." is he implying that all well-dressed and well-groomed kids at Bayside High are rich, or come from rich families?

let's leave the grade-school whining about something as harmless as "typical jock" at home. i'd hate to see this great IU basketball blog ruined.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

jgongora86 — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:44:03 -0000

No it didn't. Are you being sarcastic?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

DJW — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:49:43 -0000

Thew fact that you mentioned that his cowboy hat was black indicates a bit of racism there...phftt

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

JerryCT — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:04:41 -0000

Oh by the way....................did anybody mention he was not your "typical jock" ?

He wore a black cowboy hat that went with the sideburns.............did I offend any country music lovers ?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

JerryCT — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0000

I notice we did not mention hs turnovers or rebounds. He was good at both ............ie lots of turnovers but a great rebounder his freshman year . He did not cost us against UCLA however in finals, bad call on Downing and poor first half play cost us.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

B_MD — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:00:40 -0000

My apologies. I went back a re-read his original post and can see where you made that inference.

I think most people take "typical jocks" to mean so focused on sports and thinking they're great that they disregard academics, not as a reference to social standing or family background. But, he did relate the term directly to family background, so I can see where you got that from.

Millport: I do know that it's not what you meant. I can just now see where indiananorthshore made the leap on that one.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

indiananorthshore — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:53:55 -0000

Because you are!!! "unlike typical jocks he parents were teachers" this would lead most people to assume" typical jocks" do not come from stable homes where parents are well bread.
I quit!

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

B_MD — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:20:59 -0000

My first sense was to just move on and let this go, but I'm going to go against my better judgment today.

I can't stand when people go fishing and take these leaps of assumption to become offended by the littlest remarks. Why would you take the phrase "typical jock" and equate it with "the hood" and "broken families"?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

Millport — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:16:02 -0000

OK, I am idiot. Are you happy now? End of discussion!

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

indiananorthshore — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:02:16 -0000

Anytime who use the word typical you are stereo typing. Secondly there are many people on the Northshore who are not rich and struggling. Hence another stereo type. Your an idiot,, let's spend our efforts on remembering the the excitement Quinn gave us by going to two final 4's and an undefeated season

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

Millport — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:55:21 -0000

To the contrary there are "jocks' of all races and nationalities. I don't feel that my statement was stereotypical. Perhaps you are stereotyplical in that a compliment can't be made without someone taking offense. For example, why the northshore in your name. Are you trying to tell us that you are rich?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

indiananorthshore — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:44:46 -0000

I agree Quinn was a great player, high school championship, only player in Illinois to be named player of the year in basketball and football. NBA championship, olympic gold metal, to go along with NCAA championship. Millport I am a little offended by your not typical jock comment. Are you insinuating "jocks" only come from the hood and broken families? It is best to stay away from stereotypes!!

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

Millport — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:04:16 -0000

Not to nit pick but Quinn played two years of football. He was a great football player.Whether Knight required him to quit football, or not, I don't know. My guess is IU basketball was rising and football was falling.
Don't forget, he was not your typical jock. His is parents were both teachers, his sister preceded him at IU. He made a lot more money playing in the NBA than he ever would have made in the NFL. Quinn would get my vote as the greatest all around athlete ever at IU.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Top 10 List: Quinn Buckner

DJW — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:34:11 -0000

I am not sure that Quinn Buckner's greatness can ever be supported on purely on numbers alone. Any body associated with the IU BB program through that 1975-76 run, whether it be his teammates, coaches, etc. will identify Buckner as the true inspirational leader of that amazing team. Buckner's leadership was the one unique ingredient that inspired that team to it's greatness. That quality can't be measured.

Incidently, Quinn was all Big Ten as a freshman defensive back on the footaball team. I believe Bobby Knight required Buckner to make a choice of which sport he would continue with as an athlete at IU...and of course he chose BB.