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Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

Kelin Blab — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:47:40 -0000

JT I see where you are coming from, don't know enough about WSU to make the other case and honestly....If I look at IU from a coaching standpoint and I have a stable position...the unknowns with that team and program would be a little scary...unless you are one of those 3 guys i think. There are some Pro's to coming to IU but the cons may outweigh them right now...I hope I am wrong.

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easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:46:01 -0000

If it's true that we were offering Bennett 2.5 mil (which I personally doubt, that's a freaking ton for a 2nd year coach) then you would think Miller MAY listen, though I still don't think he'd come. Surely Dixon would though...right?! That would almost triple what he's making. Plus he'd be at a prime job, just like Howland and he'd have an easier time in the B10 vs. the Big East. And he'd make more in appearance type money. Just a thought again.

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JerryCT — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:41:42 -0000

I disagree with your conclusion but not with your CONS. Coaching is a brutal , love vs hate profession. Any coach scared of these CONS should retire. None of this scared Matta from OSU for example

Furthermore, except for retirements almost all coaching changes at the IU level are driven by negatives, especially losing ie Tubby Smith.

So, I donot see evidence that IU is the problem but I believe that our handling of everything from firing of KS, self imposed unnecessary deadlines to maybe arrogance in the search lead coaches to reconsider what daily life with these nuts would be like.

I would prefer to hear a story that we listened to Bennett's needs/objections and came back at him w an offer that he could not refuse

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tberry — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:17:32 -0000

Pearl or Miller!

If we have to go from there is will be down and will spell the beginning of mediocrity.

The firing of Bob Knight was the beginning of the end and it all leads directly back to how the Sports Administration has handled things. If we can't get a decent coach we should fire Greenspan immediately and look for other failures to fire.

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JerryCT — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:14:48 -0000

You have parents do you ? What are they for ?

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easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:56:30 -0000

1. Dixon
2. Miller

After that I really don't know. Matta is probably unrealistic or I'd have him on my list.

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TomCoverdale's Eyebrows — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:54:14 -0000

I was baffled to hear that Bennett didn’t want to pursue talks with IU. Even if he had no interest in the gig, wouldn’t he at least want to make it formally known to WSU that he is now a commodity, forcing them to throw a little more cash at him?

On the other hand, this is a tad embarrassing for us, but I guess it comes with the position that this program finds itself in.

However, I don’t think this should put Hoosier Nation in panic mode just yet. There are a handful of desirable candidates out there and if we cough up enough cash, we shouldn’t have a problem nabbing one of them. With Bennett most likely out of the running, what do people’s ‘wish list’ look like now. I think Pearl should now be in the crosshairs of this search.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

Kelin Blab — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:48:24 -0000

A couple of things.......Looking at how things have happend with Bennett I am trying to see the cons in taking the IU job and looking at them it could be a little scary for a coach, like Bennet who is in a comfortable position...

Con
1.Will the NCAA impose more and more severe sanctions?

2.WIll Gordon Leave.....and how many kids will leave with him...bassett, crawford, mcghee, holman.

3. Does the IU faithful have the patience to sit through a Kyle Taber lead team next year and a rebuilding process if players leave? Can the IU faithful handle getting beat by Purdue for 2-3 straight years?

4.What type of recruits are coming in .......How long will it take to establish a recruiting foundation in the state.

5. Can I handle being in a fishbowl for the rest of my career where basketball is important to EVERYONE in the ENTIRE state?

6. AM I going into a better situtation leaving my current job?

7. How will the administration instability affect my coaching job?

Good things to think about given the IU situtation this year......

Which leads me to believe there are a handful of guys who would be willing to accept this ENTIRE situtation......Monty, Brownell, and Dakich....hate to say it ....

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:42:58 -0000

Eh. But I'd rather have him than Kruger or Monty. From what I've always heard, Few wants the Oregon job.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:42:22 -0000

Scout.com's WSU site. In their article. It's linked on hoosiernation.com too, the article about the "2 reason he turned us down."

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tberry — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:31:31 -0000

If our next coaching pick is a good one but is turned down, you may be right about having to take someone less than we want. If we are forced to take someone less than desirable, I hope they are a pleasant surprise and can bring us up rather that settle for mediocrity.

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TomCoverdale's Eyebrows — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:30:27 -0000

Where did that figure come from?

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drode — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:22:47 -0000

What about Mark Few? His name was originally brought up when there was speculation about Sampson being fired, and then it just kind of fizzled out. I know he turned us down the first time but it seems that the situation is different this time.

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:21:52 -0000

Actually considering that they were supposedly offering Bennett 2.5 mil, they probably don't need our help.

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jgon86 — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:20:03 -0000

can we start a funraising campaign or what?

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easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:10:53 -0000

Who are you hearing are the candidates here? I've thought the whole time that Dixon could be our darkhorse. Not mentioned a lot nationally, but fits the profile of what we need perfectly. Can you profile him or let us know if you think he is realistic?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:09:40 -0000

Haha if I wasn't a college student I would!

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MPmike — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:07:58 -0000

I agree. I believe many coaches fear the pressure of winning at IU. These coaches are very comfortable with their current situation and the only way IU will ever get a "Big TIme " coach or a name that is hot and sexy is handing out some serious cash. IU will need the alumni to help do this in order to get that coach.
Unfortunately, they won't beacause these fools think that the name of IU and the tradition alone will bring that coach. It's just like recruiting players, IU needs to show why IU is still an elite place to coach, and show that the positives far outways the negatives.

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Alex Bozich — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:07:10 -0000

Horn is going to South Carolina.

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JerryCT — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:01:49 -0000

Why screw around ? Put in $100k and I will match it

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JerryCT — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:00:34 -0000

You could be right about Wisc.

In any big time sales effort however you expect the customer( Bennett ) to have objections. After you hear them you put him a "half nelson" which is " if we handle your objections will you take the job ?" . Then you nail each objection and land the deal.

It worries me that we appear a bit unschooled in executing professional recruiting practices

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

MPmike — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:57:09 -0000

Weren't you the one that was pushing for Sean Miller real bad? Why the sudden change of support?

Re: ITH Super Happy Fun Time Coaching Search: Brad Brownell

easy — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:47:42 -0000

I don't think Brownell is ready. He could surprise us and do well, but that is a huge jump to make. Maybe someday, I'm just not sure he's ready yet. I'd support him though.

I'm going to get really annoying with this, but we need to go after Dixon hard. I'll lead the charge. I'll put in $100. I'd go through all the reasons he might come but I did that twice last night. =) Maybe I should profile him haha...

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ChiCityHoosier — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:45:24 -0000

reading this is definitely depressing/worrisome. i think most of the country still views the indiana job as one of the premier coaching positions in america. only problem is that coaches don't want to leave their program - their established success - for a program that might self-impose penalties on itself in the near future or be punished from above (ncaa) in june. i guess in the end, i can't blame bennett. he's loved out there and by turning us down and saying he'd never coach another team w/in the conference (cal), his loyalty will be rewarded with more cash and more perks by the wsu admin. at this point, i think the only job bennett would take is the wisconsin job and that might be a big reason for him to not take the iu job ... bo ryan may retire in a few more years and bennett doesn't want to be coaching w/in the big10 conf. when that job opens up. i didn't realize how messed up this ncaa violations stuff would be until now. i'm starting to think that unless we get one of the "name" coaches everyone has been talking about, the next coach is likely to simply be a temporary coach for a few years until this ncaa stuff is nothing but a distant blip in everyone's rear-view mirror and then the coaching search will start up all over again. this sucks.

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JerryCT — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:33:55 -0000

sorry to run on but perhaps we should reduce the velocity of new profiles in order to lower everyone's blood pressure until we poop our pants on Thursday