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Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

mark — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:25:36 -0000

Not booing is not the equivalent of babying/coddling.

When you don't play well, you sit, and that is what happened to Lance in the second half.

That sends a message more effectively than some idiots in the stands booing.

Fortunately, we have a coach who has figured this out.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Peter — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:35:50 -0000

Let's face it, the primary issue is Lance isn't scoring - Most would love him if they felt he was a bigger points contributer. If he'd put the arc back in his shot, he'd score and the fans would cheer positively for him.

Never boo your own team

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Tom — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:29:37 -0000

if i got booed when i stunk at my job, you can bet i would get better very quickly. he's not a baby. there are kids much younger than lance in iraq right now. i really don't think he'll be scarred for life when someone lets him know he isn't getting the job done. when and if he does get better, he'll be met with positive reinforcement. such is life.

never getting criticizing is destructive. otherwise you never improve.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

tberry — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:52:41 -0000

I think booing our own players is disgraceful and counterproductive.

It doesn't matter who you are, you are not perfect. None of us are. If every time one of the booers walked into their class or job or church they were booed they would become basket cases. If you want to ruin a players belief in himself or hope to improve then boo.

If you want to make recruits run to UNC then boo the existing player so the recruit can see what he has in store if he doesn't meet your every expectation.

If you want a successful team and successful players, be as supportive as possible. Try to make them think you believe in them and they will work their ass off to do well

Please grow up and stop the booing, it is destructive.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

JUDE — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:37:14 -0000

Booing is appropriate for poor effort especially. The sort of coddling that goes on toward IU hoops in the media and apparently among their fans is very provincial. The world as I have come to know it just does not always work in this unconditionally supportive way. Poor effort and poor results deserve to elicit expressions of disappointment. Teenagers in the work-world find out all the time there are hurtful, negative consequences for poor job performance. When I was a teenager I was fired from KFC for putting chicken in the dishwater. It hurt my feelings to get fired. Basketball is the job of IU basketball players. They receive scholarships. They come to IU hoping to be in the spotlight. This team has a decent chance to win championships. I will be very disappointed if they do not due to poor effort. Here is my comment on the first half of that Chatanooga game: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Tarheels12 — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:34:30 -0000

Think Sampson will set up a three-way call with he and his parents to straighten this out?

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

PMK — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:39:01 -0000

Admittedly, this is a minute point, but let's be honest about one thing: Lance turns 23 in about a month, so let's put to bed the "he's only a kid" talk. Lance is a division one basketball player for Indiana University. This is big boy time. No more poo-poo Lance, you're a 21 year old bean sprout just waiting to grow your first armpit hair.

It has been said amongst the comments that its not OK to boo Lance because he is some sort unpaid charity case busting his butt for the glory of ole' IU. Perhaps you should ask a student currently attending IU who has taken out loans to pay for the $100,000+ total of out of state tuition he or she will be required to pay back upon graduation. Ask that person what they think of Lance being looked at as some sort of higher order because he isn't "paid" and "busts his butt", and oh wait, he's just a 23 year-old kid.

IU is known throughout the country as the most passionate basketball fan base in the land. And yes, this includes booing when you aren't doing your job. It's part of the IU culture and believe it or not, basketball players crave that attention. Be great, and there will be no place better. Be bad, and you will hear about it because people care.

I have an acquaintance who recently finished from Iowa's basketball program. We talked about a similar situation and he said (a bit paraphrased): "I would have killed to get booed in Iowa City, even by our own fans. At least that meant they cared what was going on and let us know people gave a ---- about our team. The worst thing was busting your butt all week in practice then showing up to a dead arena with a fan base who didn't care whether you won or lost."

If Lance can't take the heat, I know there are plenty of others in the basketball world who would kill for the chance to take his spot in the kitchen - even if it meant getting booed once or twice.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Bleeding Crimson — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:02:34 -0000

Guys, Don't let the Tarheel @$$ bring out the worse in us. He is only trying to get us to go down to his level of conversation. Bit the tongue and he will go away.
bc

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Heelsoverrated — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:42:24 -0000

shouldn't you be squeaking by an unranked team or something?

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

jaime gongora — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:41:14 -0000

Um I go to UNC for Grad school. The junk you guys pulled on matt doherty and how your alumni disregard current students right to decent student seating is criminal. Don't talk crap because you guys have your own issues that you still refuse to deal with. Why the heck are you even on this site? You must be bored.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Tarheels12 — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:05:08 -0000

Congrats Hoosiers, you're as classy as your cheating coach!

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Bleeding Crimson — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:47:12 -0000

Inside the Hall
Great web site. I have been one of your biggest fans since you started and will be there til the end. I love the site for several reasons, accuracy and speed of postings about IU, blogness of the site (interaction via comments), links to other sites, etc. I have not commented on every topic nor will I. I'll get right to the point. There has been only two times that this site has gotten sidewides with me, once was when vulgarity was used and the other is now. I know you mentioned that postmanR didn't mean it literally but as a topic. But if you read the rest of the article it does state it several times about how "we" boo certain players. I have to agree with so many that we never boo any player for any action, period. I think all the comments that have been written give you great insight about your readers and how they feel, I don't need to beat that horse. Plus you have never had more comments about a subject than this one, never. Regardless, keep up the good work and let's move forward.

I do have a question? You have a section for advertising but I don't see many ads. What type of customers are you looking for? Myself, I am an outside sales rep for a company and own two businesses. My biz are a Nursery and a Landscape co. I really don't think it would behoove me to advertise on this site due to my general location. The reason I ask is that you have to finanically support this site and was wondering how we can support your efforts?
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Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

jaime gongora — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:18:57 -0000

Oh don't get me wrong, he was a jerk, but the story is true.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Hoosier Hound — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:03:24 -0000

Jaime,

Did that really happen? Because Brian Cardinal has to be one of the most hated Purdue players ever. He would go into Assembly Hall and egg the crowd on, he thrived off the road atmosphere. Plus, he played like eight years at Purdue. It was fun to watch him progress from thinning hair to true baldness during his college career.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

brosallman — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:55:48 -0000

I want to party with Mike H.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

jaime gongora — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:55:16 -0000

I know that if I gave my heart to my school and I'm booed I'd be preety bumbed out. You have to remember Lance is just a 21 year old kid. Imagine getting booed at a game and you have to go to class the next day wondering if people hate your guts because your not playing to par ( and believe me there are people who are like that. Even among the Hoosier faithfull). You give me a kid who plays hard ( and he is ), you never will hear me boo that individual, and if I was at the stadium ( because its the shy new yorker in me) I would have cursed out everyone who tried. If people do want take out frustration on someone do it to Kelvin Sampson. Our coach is an adult and he's used to it ( it's part of the job). I agree that Stemler did not play well, but leave to Coach Sampson to make the decision to bench him or not.

I never really liked Coach Knight socially but I remember the final time he played against Purdue. I had great seats behind the bench, and I remember the student section making fun of the Purdue center Brian Cardinal by say F.......k Cardinal. After a couple times, Coach Knight got up ran towards the student section, and told them ( in a coach knight type of way) " Hey Shut the F..K up, and leave the kid alone. He's just a F...king kid". The student section shut up, and a lesson was learned.
Anywho thats my opinion, and Ill leave it at that.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Luke — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:30:17 -0000

I have not been happy with Stemler's play at all this year so far. Even at HH and the open practice he seemed slow and out of position most of the time. That being said I don't think anyone should ever boo a college athlete on there team. He is a senior who came to Indiana to try to win a national championship and should not be booed by the hoosier faithful.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Craig — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:12:05 -0000

Ray,

So you're saying that a verbal noise that a person NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE GAME is more harmful than a certain playing missing open 3's continually, losing his man on defense, turning the ball over, etc?

I'm sure this isn't what you are implying, so please clarify your point. Thanks.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

ray — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:04:54 -0000

EVERYONE LOOK AT JOEL'S POINT!!!!! AND THEN, GO OUT AND TELL ALL OF YOUR BOOING BUDDIES TO LOOK AT JOEL'S POINT!!!! Stemler-boos have more of a harmful impact on IU and its basketball program than any of Stemler's mistakes.

Now, on that note...someone tell Sampson to start someone else and bring Stemler off the bench.

By the way, I'm still to this day terribly disgusted by the IU UN-faithful that booed Kline. He did not deserve it, the poor guy suffered severe injuries and still gave everything he had...which unfortunately for him wasn't enough for him to live up to the hype placed on him. To give you an idea of his loyalty to IU, I've seen him with my own two eyes at the last two Hoosier Hysterias in the crowd...and sadly...he was booed when he wore the cream and crimson.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

ray — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:43:39 -0000

i didn't have time to read all these responses just yet, so i hope i'm not simply repeating what has already been said. i wanted to mention that kline too suffered an injury and was forever affected by it. it is terrible and tasteless to think that booing your own players is okay. they are on our side remember. it's not as if they go out trying to make iu lose. these players are in bloomington because they wanted to wear iu colors. i can see booing someone who is throwing the game over some illegal gambling, but come on! these guys are out here trying to fight for a position...of which stemlar is losing right now. i think the worst of it is geared to sampson. sampson sees something in stemlar that fans do not, and the fans want him benched in order to play someone with a bigger impact. i can understand this, but let's not boo our own players...how pathetic!

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Ben Bic — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:30:15 -0000

Booing is low class or NO class.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Newt — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:07:47 -0000

Go root for Kentucky. There's no f***ing place as IU fan if you boo you own players. Period.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Travis — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:03:50 -0000

J.O. said "Can the people booing do better? Were they better players than Lance when they were playing Division I basketball?" With that kind of logic no player on any bigtime level would get booed.

Look, I'm not a booing fan, especially college kids, and especially IU college kids. I never shy away from expressing myself, however; either positively or negatively. I like Lance Stemler. He seems like a fine young man, and he does have some skills. But he shouldn't be starting on this team. The five that Coach Verizon sent out to start the second half should start the game as well. Stemler is a good guy to sub in for a wing player or one of the forwards, but he doesn't warrant a lot of playing time. At least not on most nights.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Craig — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:45:20 -0000

"Chattanooga was a bad matchup for him because their bigs were faily quick:? My lord.

Shaun Pruitt, Jamelle Cornley, Brian Randle, Kosa Koufos, Patrick Patterson, Randal Falker, Matt Shaw, Mark Coury, Alade Aminu, Jeremu Smith, Mike Williams, Perry Stevenson.

What do these guys have in common?

ALL better than the garbage Chattanooga through at IU and ALL will be playing against our beloved Lance Stemler this year.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but if the point is that Chattanooga was a bad matchup and that is why Stemler played bad, then I guess Stemler will be bad all season.

Re: Is it OK to boo Lance Stemler?

Big A — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:09:59 -0000

A little more on Stemler, I had a chance to talk to him down at the recruit game at New Albany and he's a great kid. My guess is that he's disappointed in how he's played so far, but realizes that he can help this team by playing defense and going after loose balls. Chattanooga was a bad matchup for him because their bigs were fairly quick. I think he'll play better and will help this team.