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If he isn't getting results, and so far he hasn't, KS will make a change. The people booing aren't going to make that decision.
Regardless, booing your own players shows a complete lack of respect for their efforts. These aren't paid players.
And in return, some fans boo him. I don't get it.
I understand people feel they have a right to boo but to me, it's just a classless move.
I agree booing isn't the most classy act in the book and that it won't help the player.
I guess the point of this post -- no matter what the headline might indicate -- was to explain why we sometimes boo players. Clearly, not everyone agrees with the "we shouldn't boo Lance because he is a Hoosier" mantra, or there would be no boos inside Assembly Hall.
I guess I was just trying to attack why some people boo and that I can certainly understand why they do it.
Nonetheless, this is a good discussion topic and I realize I might not have the most popular point of view in the ITH family.
Guaranteed to make them sign ASAP!
For the record, I probably wouldn't ever boo any player, but I think R's point of view is just trying to make sense of why people do in fact, boo.
Boo Stephon Marbury.
Boo your congressman.
One thing I would like to know is if our favorite son "EJ" went through a slump like lance would we EVER boo him?
HELL NO!
You never boo a kid that is putting everything out there like Lance is, unless he is out there punching cheerleaders then its warranted, but other than that have some damn common sense and don't boo your own team, it just makes you look like a jackass
In a literal sense, you are allowed to boo. The language on the back of your ticket allowed. Throwing things on the court or disrupting the game is prohibitive.
In my opinion, this shouldn't even be much of a situation though. Stemler is a middle of the bench player for IU. He is a power forward that cannot defend the post and cannot score inside. He cannot play small forward because he is not quick enough on offense and cannot guard a wing player. So what is he? He's bad.
You gotta sleep off that hangover, bro!
As far as R's post goes, dude, he's not arguing for booing per se, but simply trying to figure out why people do it. It's discussion, and discussion is (almost) always good.
On the other hand, I can't imagine booing helps any 21-year-old's confidence. Would it help yours? There's a fine line between expressing displeasure -- totally a paying fan's right -- and making a bad situation worse.
Fans have a right to boo. No question about it. You pay for your seat and you can do what you want, within reason. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution protects your right to free speech.
So what affect does booing have?
1. Does the Coach need it to assist him in making decisions?
I doubt it. Kelvin knows what is going on.
2. Does it help the player being booed?
Not likely in any case and less likely in this case. Stemler is, as I understand it, sensitive about this stuff and it probably just makes him feel worse.
3. Does it help the other players on the team?
Not likely. It probably makes them feel that the fans are fickle and not behind them.
4. Does it help with recruiting?
Not likely. Recruits are unlikely to be impressed by fans that boo their own team.
5. Does it help the other team?
It might. Hearing fans booing their own team is probably a reward for them. “Hey, we make these guys (or this guy) look so bad that their own fans are booing!!”
Conclusion?
You have a legal right to boo.
But it probably hurts your team, players, school and helps the other side.
You choose.
West Coast Hoosier
These guys are student-athletes, trying to balance both the demands of school expectations and the expectations of banner-hungry basketball fans. In that regard, as an IU student myself, I have complete respect for them.
It is not acceptable.
I can't even believe this would be subject to debate.
As for Lance, I'm sure he realizes he is struggling. I don't think he needs people to boo him for confirmation.
As for me, I've never booed a player on a team I support. I don't see the point. That's not to say I don't cuss and mutter under my breath and want to jump out on the court because I can certainly do better (can't I?). But I never boo. If your booing your own team or players, all I think it is saying is, "I'm an asshole!"
Besides, we need to save some boos, Kentucky is coming into Assembly Hall this year. Now there are some players to boo at.
PostmanR isn't representing IU as a writer, "(allegedly)" or not. (What does that even mean?) He's representing himself, and his views, only. Take it easy.
Raising a discussion isn't classless. It's not like he's advocating booing; he's merely questioning it. If you want to express your displeasure (i.e. boo him), well, it appears you've done that in the comments. Just don't be dumb about it next time.
See my post above, but clearly I think if he is in your top 5, you won't be making it to the final four.
As I wrote: "In my opinion, this shouldn’t even be much of a situation though. Stemler is a middle of the bench player for IU. He is a power forward that cannot defend the post and cannot score inside. He cannot play small forward because he is not quick enough on offense and cannot guard a wing player. So what is he? He’s bad."
I would much rather see Holman or DeAndre out there each game. Both give you a better chance to win "today" and "tomorrow".
What R is discussing is all fact: Sean Kline, Ben Allen and Lance Stemler have all been booed. R was not among those booing nor did he stir up a movement to boo players. The fact is, this topic is relevant because it has happened in the past and could continue to happen down the road.
He simply stated his opinion, a somewhat indecisive one at that, at the end of his post. He's entitled to that opinion, even if you or I don't agree with it.
He's an IU fan like the rest of us and I can say with a good deal of certainty that he never has or will boo a player.
i understand he's a kid and he doesn't get paid. everyone misses shots now and then, but he also plays stupid. he's just awful in every facet of the game.
booing for consistent bad play (not just a slump) i have no problem with. yelling personal attacks i don't like, however. to any player, regardless if they play for iu or not.
Admittedly, he has struggled so far this year.
Shaun Pruitt, Jamelle Cornley, Brian Randle, Kosa Koufos, Patrick Patterson, Randal Falker, Matt Shaw, Mark Coury, Alade Aminu, Jeremu Smith, Mike Williams, Perry Stevenson.
What do these guys have in common?
ALL better than the garbage Chattanooga through at IU and ALL will be playing against our beloved Lance Stemler this year.
I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but if the point is that Chattanooga was a bad matchup and that is why Stemler played bad, then I guess Stemler will be bad all season.
Look, I'm not a booing fan, especially college kids, and especially IU college kids. I never shy away from expressing myself, however; either positively or negatively. I like Lance Stemler. He seems like a fine young man, and he does have some skills. But he shouldn't be starting on this team. The five that Coach Verizon sent out to start the second half should start the game as well. Stemler is a good guy to sub in for a wing player or one of the forwards, but he doesn't warrant a lot of playing time. At least not on most nights.
Now, on that note...someone tell Sampson to start someone else and bring Stemler off the bench.
By the way, I'm still to this day terribly disgusted by the IU UN-faithful that booed Kline. He did not deserve it, the poor guy suffered severe injuries and still gave everything he had...which unfortunately for him wasn't enough for him to live up to the hype placed on him. To give you an idea of his loyalty to IU, I've seen him with my own two eyes at the last two Hoosier Hysterias in the crowd...and sadly...he was booed when he wore the cream and crimson.
So you're saying that a verbal noise that a person NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE GAME is more harmful than a certain playing missing open 3's continually, losing his man on defense, turning the ball over, etc?
I'm sure this isn't what you are implying, so please clarify your point. Thanks.
I never really liked Coach Knight socially but I remember the final time he played against Purdue. I had great seats behind the bench, and I remember the student section making fun of the Purdue center Brian Cardinal by say F.......k Cardinal. After a couple times, Coach Knight got up ran towards the student section, and told them ( in a coach knight type of way) " Hey Shut the F..K up, and leave the kid alone. He's just a F...king kid". The student section shut up, and a lesson was learned.
Anywho thats my opinion, and Ill leave it at that.
Did that really happen? Because Brian Cardinal has to be one of the most hated Purdue players ever. He would go into Assembly Hall and egg the crowd on, he thrived off the road atmosphere. Plus, he played like eight years at Purdue. It was fun to watch him progress from thinning hair to true baldness during his college career.
Great web site. I have been one of your biggest fans since you started and will be there til the end. I love the site for several reasons, accuracy and speed of postings about IU, blogness of the site (interaction via comments), links to other sites, etc. I have not commented on every topic nor will I. I'll get right to the point. There has been only two times that this site has gotten sidewides with me, once was when vulgarity was used and the other is now. I know you mentioned that postmanR didn't mean it literally but as a topic. But if you read the rest of the article it does state it several times about how "we" boo certain players. I have to agree with so many that we never boo any player for any action, period. I think all the comments that have been written give you great insight about your readers and how they feel, I don't need to beat that horse. Plus you have never had more comments about a subject than this one, never. Regardless, keep up the good work and let's move forward.
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It has been said amongst the comments that its not OK to boo Lance because he is some sort unpaid charity case busting his butt for the glory of ole' IU. Perhaps you should ask a student currently attending IU who has taken out loans to pay for the $100,000+ total of out of state tuition he or she will be required to pay back upon graduation. Ask that person what they think of Lance being looked at as some sort of higher order because he isn't "paid" and "busts his butt", and oh wait, he's just a 23 year-old kid.
IU is known throughout the country as the most passionate basketball fan base in the land. And yes, this includes booing when you aren't doing your job. It's part of the IU culture and believe it or not, basketball players crave that attention. Be great, and there will be no place better. Be bad, and you will hear about it because people care.
I have an acquaintance who recently finished from Iowa's basketball program. We talked about a similar situation and he said (a bit paraphrased): "I would have killed to get booed in Iowa City, even by our own fans. At least that meant they cared what was going on and let us know people gave a ---- about our team. The worst thing was busting your butt all week in practice then showing up to a dead arena with a fan base who didn't care whether you won or lost."
If Lance can't take the heat, I know there are plenty of others in the basketball world who would kill for the chance to take his spot in the kitchen - even if it meant getting booed once or twice.
It doesn't matter who you are, you are not perfect. None of us are. If every time one of the booers walked into their class or job or church they were booed they would become basket cases. If you want to ruin a players belief in himself or hope to improve then boo.
If you want to make recruits run to UNC then boo the existing player so the recruit can see what he has in store if he doesn't meet your every expectation.
If you want a successful team and successful players, be as supportive as possible. Try to make them think you believe in them and they will work their ass off to do well
Please grow up and stop the booing, it is destructive.
never getting criticizing is destructive. otherwise you never improve.
Never boo your own team
When you don't play well, you sit, and that is what happened to Lance in the second half.
That sends a message more effectively than some idiots in the stands booing.
Fortunately, we have a coach who has figured this out.