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Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

mitchelltatum — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:07:29 -0000

Great, great points jgongora...I love the thought of I.U. getting 4 and 5 star recruits, but if they are just comming to show off for pro scouts and then jet to the NBA, who needs them. I'd much rather have a roster full of kids with potential who want to be part of a "team" and build this program back to where it should be.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

MillaRed — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:20:21 -0000

What affect if any has McLeod had on recruiting? Was he heavily involved with Creek?

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

MillaRed — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:18:33 -0000

Apparently the Irving recruitment is bringing out the worst in IU fans..........

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

tg1438 — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:15:27 -0000

Many of these recruits you are talking about were not landed by IU, but that is no fault of Crean. Thomas and Ferguson had already commited (at least for the 1st time) before Crean was hired and had a chance to recruit them. Although Teague looks like a hug LVille lean, IU is in the mix. He has huge inroads with the 2012 class, which is absolutely stacked with homegrown talent. This is where you will see his impact, but you have to realize that when he took over he was 2 years behind most programs recruiting for 08,09, and in some cases players in '10.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

BGleas — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:26:39 -0000

I'm with you Milla, in a fair world he would choose IU, hopefully he does.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

MillaRed — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:41:18 -0000

No offense taken. I wasn't trying to say this was a bad kid if he went to Duke. I'm saying I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Duke. In a "fair" world, I think based on how Crean followed this kid it would be a shame for IU to lose him.

If such is the case I think him going to Duke kinda stinks. But hey, this is the world we live in. We're on the same team Gleas. I'm hoping for the best too trust me.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

stevealford — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:33:11 -0000

Look I hope I am wrong about Crean's abilities because I do think he is a great guy. You may be one of the many of our fans who bragged how good Mike Davis and KS was until they got canned. Why are we using all our scholarships on mid major talent with the state of INDIANA loaded in 2011 and 2012. I do give props for Carlino and Etherington in 11 so far but would like to have scholarships available for bigs like Zeller and Plumlee. Van Treese was good enough for Louisville but not for IU?

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Kelin Blab — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:24:37 -0000

Steve ....a six WIN team is in the conversation for some of the TOP recruits in the country vs top teams like KY, Louisville, PU, and Duke....lets examine why that is.....I conclude it comes down to two things..(tom crean and Indiana is a basketball school)

1. The banners mean a lot to me, but I am an sniffing 40.....to recruits those banners don't carry much weight....maybe it is Crean

2. In ONE season Crean has made up a ton of ground vs PU and our border enemies, to the extent I would say IU is more in play in state than PU. Crean would not have lost 3 in state guys to PU like KS did......maybe it is Crean

3. If you base Crean's recruiting efforts on losing Dom Fergunson to Florida Int., Deshaun Thomas who committed 3 years ago to OSU, and Marquis probaly going to play for his dads old coach....well then blame Crean for global warming, the deficit, and the curse on the cubs too.....

4. Coach K is a great great coach.....but is being out recruited right now by UNC and is battling across the country.....and battling a 6 win team for one of the top 2010 PG...maybe it is Crean.

5. Closing the deal.....Creek, Wateford, Elston, and Hulls............???

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

hoosiergal — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:42:30 -0000

That is my grandaughter and that was taken at her first Hoosier Hysteria. This year will be her second! The only two letters she can read are IU much to the chagrin of her "other" Pawpaw who is a Kentucky fan!!!

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Taskmaster75 — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:32:52 -0000

It would be great to grab Kyle, and if he commits, awesome, but let's be take a look at Duke (As much as I love Duke....). They are going to have a huge lack of guard depth in 1-2 years when Scheyer and company graduate, so Irving is looking at plenty of playing time should he commit there. The ACC is probably the best basketball conference in the nation(Opinion, very open to discussion), and playing for a team that's always in the top 2 is a very good motivator.

Now, Irving is also from New Jersey, and that's a long ways away from Indiana and Duke. i think a major factor here is McLeod. You can't underestimate the effect of having someone you know when you are far away from home. it just creates that feeling of security. Now, I could be wrong and he could commit to Duke or UK, making me look moronic, but hey, just my 2 cents,

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

GFDave — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:30:33 -0000

Darn, I missed it. Must have involved stevealford.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

GFDave — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:29:10 -0000

Atta girl. Cute kid. I've got two applying to IU right now. It looks like about 15 or 16 years for yours.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

hoosiergal — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:21:50 -0000

In Crean I trust - the future of IU Basketball. Period.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Taskmaster75 — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:20:57 -0000

Hehe, trolls tend to bring out the worst in people.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Diesel — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:20:03 -0000

Serena Williams was on here? Didn't know she was an IU fan.....

Speaking of profanity, here is Coach Knight at his best

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Julian — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:17:44 -0000

i agree

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Alex Bozich — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:07:03 -0000

I've had to remove some comments on this post due to name calling and profanity. I'm all for the discussion, but let's keep it civil.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

Diesel — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:03:21 -0000

Come on Stevie, I know it's been a long time since we laced up the shoes together, but you're acting like I just gave you a patented DD elbow to the jaw.

Let's get some facts out there. Elston was recruited by Sampson, but any time there is a coaching change a player must be re-recruited and this was the case with Elston. Elston is not Sampson's player.

Using players like DeShaun Thomas and D Ferg as examples that Crean cannot close on a recruit is paper thin at best. Thomas has shown no interest in IU and had given his verbal to OSU before CTC ever came on the scene. D Ferg was never offered a scholarship by IU and for good reason. And Marquis Teague has not made a decision on where he will be playing next year. Most IU fans including myself would take Jeremiah Davis, Kyrie Irving, and Cody Zeller over that bunch every time.

IU does not recruit 2 star players.

There is no bad habit as to oversigning. Teams can overrecruit by 1 each year per the rules and given the makeup and dynamics of the team, this is a smart move by IU.

Stating that Bawa is only slightly better than Jobe is an opinion. No one has the Bawa mystery figured out, and hoping that he is inelgible is just wrong.

You are not a huge IU fan or you wouldn't be making idiotic statements like those above.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

stevealford — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:18:50 -0000

I do not look at winning 6 games as an accomplishment. I think coach K is the best active coach in the nation and I believe he could have won more than 6 games if he takes over the same time as Crean did. I do agree that they put up a fight, and Crean reunited the fan base and also has high level recruits looking at the program which is great. The problem is that he cannot close on them. We settle for 2 star guards/wings and still cannot close on the elite Indiana talent (Deshaun Thomas, Dominique Ferguson, Marquis Teague). Hopefully we can get Zeller if some 2 star from the South hasn't already taken it.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

hoosier07 — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:35:19 -0000

I agree too. I think we would all love for our top prospects to choose IU, but that isn't the case. Any kid getting recruited by Coach K has to feel good about his chances of winning a national championship ... but man I wish KI came to IU and brought one to b-town in 2 years ...

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

GFDave — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:03:28 -0000

I agree.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

BGleas — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:05:49 -0000

I truly apologize if I offended you, was not my intention. I just tire of often reading fans on various IU sites who think there's some flaw in a kids character if they don't choose IU. I'm sure it's a minority, but I feel like I read that sentiment a lot, and I don't feel it's fair.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

MillaRed — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:56:41 -0000

Thanks for your "opinion" Gleas. More times than not you speak as if you are gospel.

This is a sounding board for opinions, and they come in many shapes and forms. It's what makes our country great.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

GFDave — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:40:23 -0000

Kelin, could you please scroll down below and share some of your thoughts about Coach Crean with stevealford. I would appreciate it.

Re: Irving playing recruitment close to the vest

BGleas — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:38:52 -0000

This is false, Knight's championship teams had plenty of McDonald's All-American's and high rated recruits on the them.

Beside, we need to stop modeling ourselves after championships won 20-30 years ago, and start looking at how you win in college basketball today, if IU wants to win again.