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Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

ray — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:21:21 -0000

the most important short-term goal for the hoosiers is to keep the returning players. the most important long-term goal is finding the perfect coach to fit their storied program. i think it's a major loss to have a kid of ebanks caliber back out, but it would be more of a loss to lose players already in uniform.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Phillip — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:30:49 -0000

Matta's team may not make the NCAA Tournament this year. Are you trying to say that he's better than the other coaches mentioned? I just don't follow and need explanation...I'm not being a smart-allic.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Phillip — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 12:25:50 -0000

"Crean-way overrated"--Finally someone sees it. I do not want Tom Crean roaming our sidelines.

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Jerry — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:26:02 -0000

Either guy lets us compete against Painter, Weber for the best hair on a coach in the B-10.

I keep wondering why we all ignore Jay Wright. he recruits the big citites on the east coast, wins w short guys/guards in a tough conference, has national exposure due to the big east reach from Chicago to CIncy to Fla to Boston. ............and he too can win the hair competition

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Ben — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:29:48 -0000

I honestly don't think our coach is out there right now. I think this is a bad time to be going through this situation. We can't make a bad choice rule wise, so I think they will stay away from calapari and pearl. We will end up with Miller or Bennett and I honestly think they will be 3 or 4 and don.e

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BTOWN40 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:19:52 -0000

http://wsucougars.cstv.com/... http://goxavier.cstv.com/sp... Compare the 2 and draw your conclusions

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BTOWN40 — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:16:32 -0000

I would go Bennett #1 then Miller. You have to look at the fact that Bennett has done a great job at WSU where there was no previous success. He recruited Penny, Tucker, devin harris, and Butch just to name a few while at Wisconsin. He played in the NBA and overseas in New Zealand I believe. He is what I call a system coach that can find players that fit his system while not always needing to rely on the one and done player. He has basketball experience since birth, and is a proven recruiter. Just think a minute where he coaches Washington State a middle of the pack to bottom feeder Pac10 basketball school that is on the west coast where there is limited tv exposure to the rest of the nation, not to mention the fact that he has to go up against UCLA and Stanford for recruiting every year. Quick name a player on their roster...................exactly you can't and he still wins just think what he can do at IU where I would say half the recruitng is the name INDIANA on the jersey..give him the keys and let him drive, plus he's not a bad singer either....http://wsucougars.cstv.com/sports/...

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Timmy — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:42:27 -0000

In regards to Grant, Greenspan would never hire another african american to be IU's hoops coach. I personally would love Grant to be our coach, but Greenspan would try to appease the most vocal section of our fanbase (you know what I'm talking about). I mean look how he passed over Ray for Double D so he wouldn't get more heat...and if you need more proof, look who's in last place in the poll on this site!

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Jerry — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:29:01 -0000

Agreed.

I guess it depends on what scope IU wants its program to have. I viewed KS as building a National program ala Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, UCONN etc. and I admit to wanting that . Not to say Purdue fans with regional players are not happy right now.

My point is that Miller has no experience winning recruiting wars in the top 100 and appears to have limited relationships outside a small subset of Ohio. He may have inherited those from the program built earlier by Gillen. Prosser, Matta. Before putting him #1 we need to assess his recruiting scope and success.

Applying the same logic to the limited info I have on Bennett and Wright however I get a very different and more comforting feeling about their desire, energy , experience , relationships and ability to take us National (or International in Bennett's case) when recruiting. Bennett recruited Devin Harris , Alando Tucker and even Brian ( the bastard ) Butch before leaving for WSU.

Therefore I put Miller below both men . They can all coach like crazy . Wright's 3 guard offense would be perfect for us now

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

B (MD) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:48:36 -0000

I guess an argument for Miller in that case would be, look at who he's beating with less talented players, must be a good game coach. It's not exactly easy to recruit to Xavier when you're batting Big Ten and Big East schools in the region.

I assume that his recruiting would have to improve at IU, so imagine him coaching the same winning ways, but with even more talent.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Jerry — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:14:36 -0000

After looking at Miller's narrow recruiting and few Top 50 players I would not rank him as high as I originally would have. With 1/2 his players from 2 cities in Ohio and 8 overall I wonder about his readiness to recruit at the level we expect. He is a darn good coach

Contrast w Jay Wright however w all players from NY metro, Balt/Wash metro and Phila metro . Plus keep in mind he has Big East exposure in Chicago ( Marquette, Depaul, ND ) area and Ohio/Kentucky ( Cincy, Louisville) and FLorida.

As a result I voted for Bennett, would have voted for Wright and l like Miller. But I feel Grant , Brownell , Drew are just not in the same league as yet.

Kelin is usually pretty smart but perhaps you have not caught VCU on tv this year. ODU outcoached Grant to win and he was fortunate against GMU in the 2 games I saw. Nice D however. Did he recruit the Russian ?

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

B (MD) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:31:11 -0000

That's another thing to bring up. Everyone says, "this is an Indiana/Midwest guy so he'll be able to recruit the state". But that's limiting.

Bring in a guy like Wright (just an example) who has ties elsewhere and that broadens the recruiting base. Whoever the coach is will be able to recruit Indiana and Midwest guys just being the coach at Indiana, assuming he's a half decent recruiter. Add to that ties from another region and we'll be even better...Especially places like NYC, Philly & Balt/DC.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

SocksShortsSwish — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:04:54 -0000

Have another, Tom.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

SocksShortsSwish — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:03:58 -0000

Could live with either Miller or Bennett.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Ricky — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:51:34 -0000

the big east tourny will have all 16 teams starting next year, so you were essentially right

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Ricky — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:50:45 -0000

He is not a one and done. Just because he is 5 stars and ranked highly does not mean he is one and done. Next years freshman class is not all that great, especially compared to this years. There won't be too many freshman next year declaring for the draft

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BrianK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:47:11 -0000

Ol Matt just layed some serious smack down with that post. I like and agree.

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Jerry — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:38:34 -0000

Not saying Miller cannot do it but keep in mind he starts "nationally or internationally " at ground zero w nothing to build on.

Bennett has enough national and international scope to compete w teams you mentioned right away, and, he can flat out coach against tough teams in tough venues night in and night out. They are the same age.

I would go w Jay Wright if I could becasue his meat and potatoes is in championship areas NY metro, Balt/Wash, Phila.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

kelin — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:32:50 -0000

I won't go to far back but Anthony Grant coached his team to an NCAA win vs. the almight Duke a couple of seasons ago....if you combine his VCU track record with his time at Florida....he is definitely in the top 4 candidates.

BUT.....I would not be upset if we began and ended with Sean Miller. Forget the conference he is in.....he produces good teams with what he has and competes against the big boys year in and year out. I saw them when the beat IU and the difference in the game was he outcoached KS primarily from the offensive end. IU did not know what the hell Xavier was doing.......Defensively.....they played in your FACE the entire game. Greeny if you are on this site....that is your FIRST phone call.

I DO NOT want Rick Barnes, Boehim, or anyone of that group.....go get a young coach who will be here for a long time....

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Matt J. — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:03:51 -0000

You also have to think about how Miller's recruiting base is going to be limited to the area around Xavier, so Ohio, Indiana, Pennsylvania would be pretty much the meat and potatoes of the recruiting base.

Moving up to somewhere like IU, then he'd have a lot more area to go with.

If you toss out the foreign players, then most of Bennett's recruits are localized and then the Wisco kids from his connection to that program.

Major programs (Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana and so on) can go more national.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BrianK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:50:25 -0000

I'm with getting a Young Coach like Miller or Grant. Watch some of Pearl's prev loss' like the UK game. He got outcoached. Crean-way overrated. Barnes is a coach who can recruit but cant do much of anything else. A young guy like Miller or Grant have some heat and excitement to them. I'm sure if they can recruit at Flordia State,VCU and Xavier and have top teams thy would be able to at IU and Win now.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

B (MD) — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:46:38 -0000

How about the next Uwe Blob:)

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BrianK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:41:16 -0000

Considering Grant was Major oart of recruiting the players that won them 2 championships I think he can recruit.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

BrianK — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:32:45 -0000

Hey he was allowed to go to Ohio St and play his final 3 yrs. Inner Conf trans are rare.

Re: Ebanks bolting from Bloomington

Tom Coverdale IU Hero — Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:23:00 -0000

Bruce Pearl